Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

[FlybeDash8Q400]

a few of the route colours on the tfe app have changed today, including the 14, 21 and 38. I don't understand why that was necessary but I assume there's a reason.

On Apple products they changed them yesterday, but have now changed them all (in error) to the Pre-September 2022 network and as such former routes such as the 42 and 300 resurrected themselves on the app. This also includes changed routes such as the 16 only going to Colinton as well.

On Apple only some colours were changed. This includes the ones you’ve listed plus a few others, but a few weren’t changed such as the 22.

EDIT: Apple update has now corrected itself and is as it was yesterday.

 

[cam22]

a few of the route colours on the tfe app have changed today, including the 14, 21 and 38. I don't understand why that was necessary but I assume there's a reason.

Apparently bus stop flags have been changed as well ie the 41 has been changed already to 47. That might confuse a few looking for a 41 the next few days!

 

[stevenedin]

Apparently bus stop flags have been changed as well ie the 41 has been changed already to 47. That might confuse a few looking for a 41 the next few days!

Also the 47B

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

Apparently bus stop flags have been changed as well ie the 41 has been changed already to 47. That might confuse a few looking for a 41 the next few days!

Confusingly on the 9’s route some flags have been changed but not all have and some stops have had timetables changed, but not all. I have yet to see any stops with both the new number and the new timetable added.

 

[ScotRail158725]

On Apple products they changed them yesterday, but have now changed them all (in error) to the Pre-September 2022 network and as such former routes such as the 42 and 300 resurrected themselves on the app. This also includes changed routes such as the 16 only going to Colinton as well.

On Apple only some colours were changed. This includes the ones you’ve listed plus a few others, but a few weren’t changed such as the 22.

EDIT: Apple update has now corrected itself and is as it was yesterday.

These colour changes are a bit extreme and confusing, I was a bit thrown off seeing the 21 at my local stop on Gilmerton road this morning. There was no need to change the colour of the 29 from Orange to Lavender its all just unneeded. Theres been colour changes before but i dont think they’ve chnaged more than one or two at a time

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

Theres been colour changes before but i dont think they’ve chnaged more than one or two at a time

The last time the colours changed en masse I think was when the Trams were launched back in 2014. The previous style map (the geographically accurate one) also had changes over the years. Using the 14 as an example I think it previously used cream but when they changed the route colours within the geographic map, the 14 was given a shade of pink and then got its current dark grey in 2014. That of course has now been changed in favour of a light grey.

I myself think it’s probably time for another full reset as in that time bits such as Skylink, East Lothian and West Lothian have been gradually added into the network and as a result of these latest changes as well some colours are probably too close to each other. The 37 and the Skylinks for example, and now the 14 and 44.

There’s obviously only so many colours to choose from but I do think they’re not being used in the best way. In my view the 8 and 9 should be having broadly similar colours instead of complete opposites. It’s bits like that that I feel they need redone.

 

[stevenedin]

The last time the colours changed en masse I think was when the Trams were launched back in 2014. The previous style map (the geographically accurate one) also had changes over the years. Using the 14 as an example I think it previously used cream but when they changed the route colours within the geographic map, the 14 was given a shade of pink and then got its current dark grey in 2014. That of course has now been changed in favour of a light grey.

I myself think it’s probably time for another full reset as in that time bits such as Skylink, East Lothian and West Lothian have been gradually added into the network and as a result of these latest changes as well some colours are probably too close to each other. The 37 and the Skylinks for example, and now the 14 and 44.

There’s obviously only so many colours to choose from but I do think they’re not being used in the best way. In my view the 8 and 9 should be having broadly similar colours instead of complete opposites. It’s bits like that that I feel they need redone.

The 22 is becoming a brown colour after the changes if the new route maps are correct.

 

[computerSaysNo]

When does the Network Map on the website usually get updated, just on the day of the change?

I do think they could do something creative with the new route colours, for example have all the high-frequency routes in bright colours and all the low-frequency ones in pastel?
That said, I'd rather they just kept the current colours.

 

[stevenedin]

The 22 is becoming a brown colour after the changes if the new route maps are correct.

It’s actually purple not brown.

Service change from Sunday 28 May - Lothian Buses

A number of changes to the Lothian network will be introduced to improve reliability and connectivity across Edinburgh and the Lothians. Taking effect from 28 May 2023, new or altered services will be introduced to improve reliability and connectivity, replacing existing services on some parts...

www.lothianbuses.com

Full Network Map

 

[computerSaysNo]

It’s actually purple not brown.

I don't like that new map at all. It's not aesthetically pleasing at all. I think there's too many bold colours which are all competing for attention. At least with the old one some of the colours were dulled down a bit.

 

[Edirim]

I think the colours changed in apps due to the timetables for the service changes going in.
If you for example click on Dalkeith South Street and then Timetable you will see 46 and 48 but no 49.

 

[stevenedin]

I don't like that new map at all. It's not aesthetically pleasing at all. I think there's too many bold colours which are all competing for attention. At least with the old one some of the colours where dulled down a bit.

It’s not the best especially when all of the East Coast buses and Lothian Country routes are the same colour.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

I think the colours changed in apps due to the timetables for the service changes going in.

The timetables were added in about 2 weeks ago, with the generic gold being used for any new routes until now. The termini were also listed as the area they’re in rather than what the bus will display. Yesterday they started to add in the bus display names replacing the areas but only the timetables are complete and the addition of the new numbers hasn’t yet happened and continue to show as gold. Other bits and pieces such as the 22 still being pink are still to be done.

 

[Bus9120UK]

It’s actually purple not brown.

The following link opens a full quality image of the map, I've not added a preview due to the high quality but there already is one in your post. https://www.lothianbuses.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Network_Map_230528.jpg

 

[computerSaysNo]

The following link opens a full quality image of the map, I've not added a preview due to the high quality but there already is one in your post. https://www.lothianbuses.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Network_Map_230528.jpg

I assume that a PDF will be available at some point though? The compression on those JPGs is horrible!

 

[stevenedin]

The following link opens a full quality image of the map, I've not added a preview due to the high quality but there already is one in your post. https://www.lothianbuses.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Network_Map_230528.jpg

Thanks for posting the link. The more I look at it, some isn’t too bad, for people complaining about losing the 49 from Old Dalkeith Road there is still the 7 and 33 to the city centre and from Danderhall there is still the 33.

I do understand people’s frustration from Rosewell as they previously had a service to Edinburgh city centre and now they only have the X31 which is very limited. I’m surprised that they haven’t extended the 31 that goes to Polton Mill to Rosewell maybe once an hour or something.

 

[CN04NRJ]

I’m surprised that they haven’t extended the 31 that goes to Polton Mill to Rosewell maybe once an hour or something.

Timekeeping is bad enough on the 31 as it is, that'd just make it more unreliable. It's the only good solution I can think of too but can't see it happening.

 

[zjsptgzxyspks]

Anybody has an idea when the 11reg buses will be scrapped? Some of them are a bit run down

 

[AndrewTaylor95]

Anybody has an idea when the 11reg buses will be scrapped? Some of them are a bit run down

They're Euro 6 and I can assure you they aren't run down, Lothian look after their fleet and are always spannered correctly.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

Anybody has an idea when the 11reg buses will be scrapped? Some of them are a bit run down

Maybe 10-15 years from now. Perfectly good buses that I suspect will be snapped up quickly when they are sold - which could well be within the next 2-3 years. Plenty of life left within them and they all should last a long while yet.

 

[stevenedin]

28 seems to have been repainted

 

[Bus9120UK]

28 seems to have been repainted

It was given a lower panel repaint late last year after an accident.

So far, 179/88 have moved to Marine as has 1005. 1142/3 are at Longstone now. 184 has arrived at Marine now as well so that leaves just 178 which is still at Central.

 

[ScotRail158725]

Anybody has an idea when the 11reg buses will be scrapped? Some of them are a bit run down

Not even Lothian fleet managers know. They’ve still got a while before they’ll even be sold on and they’ll be sold on not scrapped due to the well kept condition of Lothian vehicles mechanically

 

[computerSaysNo]

Not even Lothian fleet managers know. They’ve still got a while before they’ll even be sold on and they’ll be sold on not scrapped due to the well kept condition of Lothian vehicles mechanically

Does the gearbox of a vehicle have an effect on how hard the engine has to work (in an urban environment)? I feel like the native B9s (which all have a Voith gearbox) are much louder than the ex-London's (which are all ZF(?)).

 

[Graeme Duncan]

Any likelihood of 1152/3 being reinstated .

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

Any likelihood of 1152/3 being reinstated .

Nothing yet. I am still hopeful that it’ll happen but no movement as yet.

 

[ScotRail158725]

Does the gearbox of a vehicle have an effect on how hard the engine has to work (in an urban environment)? I feel like the native B9s (which all have a Voith gearbox) are much louder than the ex-London's (which are all ZF(?)).

In an urban environment no. Voiths sound louder but thats just the noise they make, voith boxes aren’t really audible until they get into 3rd gear

 

[computerSaysNo]

The new Network Map is now online and can be accessed here: https://www.lothianbuses.com/maps-and-times/network-maps/

I've typed a summary of non-route changes, because I can.

Route	Old colour	New colour	New HEX	Text
1	Light blue	-	#98C8ED	Dark
2	Green	-	#4DA32F	Dark
3	Yellow-ish	Yellow	#DECE00	Dark
4	Blue	Light purple	#D7B5CE	Dark
5	Light orange	-	#F9B233	Dark
7	Pink	Light pink	#F49F95	Dark
8	Green	-	#117032	Dark
9	-	Red-brown	#BC8B89	Dark
10	Brown	Dark purple	#6A2655	Light
11	Red	-	#B11A23	Light
12	Light green	Pale green	#9CC872	Dark
14	Light grey	-	#A69DAD	Dark
15	Dark grey	Dark brown	#794E34	Light
16	Pale Brown	-	#AE9A64	Dark
19	Brown	-	#C57F00	Dark
21	Light purple	Light brown	#D7B27B	Dark
22	Bright pink	Dark purple	#7C3F61	Light
23	Dark blue	-	#27348B	Light
24	Bright pink	Light pink	#E7657F	Dark
25	Purple	-	#951B81	Light
26	Bright red	-	#E30613	Light
27	Dark orange	-	#ED6F30	Dark
29	Red	Light purple	#AC8ABF	Dark
30	Brown	Light brown	#CA8C16	Dark
31	Grey-brown	-	#7B6A58	Light
33	Dark red	-	#901426	Light
34	Dark blue	-	#2B2171	Light
35	Red	-	#BA313D	Light
36	Light green	Dark turquoise	#327775	Light
37	Dark blue	-	#355FAA	Light
38	Dark yellow	Light turquoise	#9AB9AF	Dark
41	Dark red	-		-
44	Grey	-	#9D9D9C	Dark
45	Turquoise	-	#51B8BB	Dark
46	-	Green	#93AF24	Dark
47	Pale blue	-	#7B9CC0	Dark
48	Green	Dark grey-purple	#52516E	Light
49	Blue	-	#16A0BB	Dark

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

I've typed a summary of non-route changes, because I can.

The 14 has changed from a dark grey to a light grey. I’m not sure if the 3 or 24 have changed, if they have it must be very minimal. I believe 11 has changed slightly too. I’d also say the 21 is more beige than anything. A nice addition I think is the 46 reusing the former 42’s colour.

 

[paul47B]

We have a separate thread for ideas and speculation about services. Please keep this one for discussing what's actually happening.

Edinburgh & the Lothians bus network speculations & ideas

I have created this thread so that we can discuss ideas for new buses, bus routes etc so that they aren’t in the main threads under each operator as not everyone likes to see them. There is a lot of discussion (mainly under both threads for McGill’s Scotland East and Lothian Group) and I feel...

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Sorry about that. Thanks for letting me know.

I see that the 4 wont be going to Queen Margaret University for now as the slip road is to have a safety check