No trains to call at Altnabreac for the foreseeable future

[nanstallon]

I dont think its 'got tired of them' more like: You have been before the courts on the same or similar charges (or whatever) on two previous occasions, the last time you were warned that (insert what ever penalty was threatened) if you continued to offend. You chose to ignore that warning, so the penaly is applied.

I think persistent offenders of all types need much harsher treatment. I dont see why the law abiding majority should have to put up with a (probably very) small number of offenders who have no respect for the law. If all else fails get them off the streets.

It just feels like a pair of 'people' (insert stronger word) are holding everyone to ransom, because if Network Rail go in mob handed with police support and the cottage owners end up getting hurt they will then play the victim, even although they are the cause of the problem.

Again, the nail has been hit accurately on the head!

 

[thedbdiboy]

I can't help thinking that there's an ITV drama in the making over the Altnabreac station saga

 

[Falcon1200]

I can't help thinking that there's an ITV drama in the making over the Altnabreac station saga

Starring Hamish McBeth or Karen Pirrie?!!

 

[YorksLad12]

Starring Hamish McBeth or Karen Pirrie?!!

Oddly enough, have just watched S1E06 of Hamish Macbeth on iPlayer, at which a character alights from the rear of a 2-car class 156 at a station with a platform that was too short. Wonder which station...?

 

[scotLAN]

Oddly enough, have just watched S1E06 of Hamish Macbeth on iPlayer, at which a character alights from the rear of a 2-car class 156 at a station with a platform that was too short. Wonder which station...?

Pretty sure it’s Attadale on the Kyle line - most of the series was filmed around the Plockton area. Been a while since class 156s ruled the roost up there!

 

[Deepgreen]

The problem is that if it did kick off and one of the lovely people got injured, it would be up to the Network Rail staff to prove that they were in the right: "Elderly couple hospitalised after conflict with railway engineers" won't work out well for NR in the court of public opinion.

"Elderly" - 46 and 48 years old?

 

[najaB]

"Elderly" - 46 and 48 years old?

How many people read past the headlines? Just replace 'elderly' with a trigger adjective of your choice then.

 

[norbitonflyer]

I suppose one thing they could do is do as much work as possible whilst the antagonists are in court, take everything up by rail and hopefully you'd get at least some work done.

I think that might be dodgy on legal grounds, as anticipating (1) the result of a court case in progress.
(1) İ use the word in the original sense.

 

[Chrius56000]

I would say if things get to a head and this couple are jailed, demolish their house and leave them homeless before they're released, level the place and make a permanent public access for station users once and for all – I have no sympathy for them!

If they deserve any consideration at all, which they don't because of their previous offending, they should be warned once and for all that any further action in contravention of a court order to desist is liable to result in an extended jail sentence and the loss of their property for good!

Chris Williams

 

[Gathursty]

Altnabreac could become a retreat for former Scottish First Ministers.

 

[D6130]

Altnabreac could become a retreat for former Scottish First Ministers.

They would have to build a few more houses there!

 

[BzRail]

They would have to build a few more houses there!

No need, they have their own motorhomes.

 

[D6130]

No need, they have their own motorhomes.

Ah, yes..... I'd forgotten about that!

 

[Westinghouse]

Ah, yes..... I'd forgotten about that!

What's the latest on this (too) long drawn out saga ?? Have the individuals (trying to be polite here) been banged up yet ? The sooner the house is on open sale to folk with normal values the better !

 

[najaB]

What's the latest on this (too) long drawn out saga ?? Have the individuals (trying to be polite here) been banged up yet ?

A couple of removed (not sure why) posts indicated that the case was thrown out due to lack of corroboration of the evidence.

 

[Fermiboson]

Is the station currently actually served?

 

[hexagon789]

Is the station currently actually served?

No.

 

[joncombe]

Whilst I assume the desire to install this equipment is to speed up the end to end journey time by not having to slow so much for requests stop if no one is waiting and no one is getting on, is there a reason why if that is currently impossible, this station cannot continue to be served in the same way it was before (I.E. flag the train down)? It seems a bit over-reaction to me to close the station unless there is some sort of safety issue that needs to be addressed (e.g. damage to the platform)?

This is not the only station that has no road access either, can the equipment be bought in by train?

 

[Gloster]

When you see the powers used to clear peaceful protestors off roads so that motorists are not inconvenienced (*) it is ridiculous that two ‘eccentric’ characters have been allowed to shut down a station, albeit a little used one. It seems to me that the longer the saga goes on, the more likely that something serious will happen.

* - I realise that Scotland has different laws to England.

 

[najaB]

It seems a bit over-reaction to me to close the station unless there is some sort of safety issue that needs to be addressed (e.g. damage to the platform)?

This is not the only station that has no road access either, can the equipment be bought in by train?

The problem is that the couple in question object to people using the station at all, not just the road leading to it.

 

[peteb]

The problem is that the couple in question object to people using the station at all, not just the road leading to it.

But the railway was there before them...........

 

[ScottGallagher]

But the railway was there before them...........

Exactly, didn't they read the legal pack!

Honestly this is such a pathetic situation.

 

[Jan Mayen]

Perhaps they did read it, and discovered that the railway and its passengers had no right of access to/from the platform?

 

[sjm77]

Perhaps they did read it, and discovered that the railway and its passengers had no right of access to/from the platform?

I am not a legal expert but this would surprise me. My view is based on the fact that (unlike England) no mass-tresspass type event was needed in Scotland to establish a 'right to roam'.

 

[Jan Mayen]

I am not a legal expert but this would surprise me. My view is based on the fact that (unlike England) no mass-tresspass type event was needed in Scotland to establish a 'right to roam'.

Do access rights in Scotland differ between front garden/driveway and open countryside? I assume they do, but I don't know Scottish law.

 

[Gloster]

The couple are, so I believe, from the Manchester area and one was a copper. Could they have failed to understand that Scottish laws can differ from English ones and, although they are likely to have since been fully informed of the law, are ‘failing to understand’ the difference (in one way or another)? It is possible that there was a cack-up or error with the sale documents and they are acting within their rights, but that would surprise me a lot.

 

[tspaul26]

I am not a legal expert but this would surprise me. My view is based on the fact that (unlike England) no mass-tresspass type event was needed in Scotland to establish a 'right to roam'.

However, it is unlikely that the access rights provided by Part 1 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 would cover (a) what Network Rail wishes to do and (b) all railway passengers who might wish to use the station.

Do access rights in Scotland differ between front garden/driveway and open countryside? I assume they do, but I don't know Scottish law.

It depends on the nature of the right, who proposes to exercise it and for what purpose.

The couple are, so I believe, from the Manchester area and one was a copper. Could they have failed to understand that Scottish laws can differ from English ones and, although they are likely to have since been fully informed of the law, are ‘failing to understand’ the difference (in one way or another)? It is possible that there was a cack-up or error with the sale documents and they are acting within their rights, but that would surprise me a lot.

I would be surprised if they had read any of the missives at all.

 

[glasgowniteowl]

Perhaps they did read it, and discovered that the railway and its passengers had no right of access to/from the platform?

I posted some info from land registry on post #125 there is some sort of access rights, exactly what not sure

 

[kaysha]

Just saying, but this thread has now more posts than passengers that used the station in 22-23. (280)!

 

[Jan Mayen]

I wonder how many posters have actually used Altnabreac? I travelled there by Post Bus (remember those?)