As I said in the original thread, the frustration here is the lack of a single voice and clear leadership, as witnessed by the Okehampton reopening, which was driven by the three main parties working as a single virtual task force from its inception. WHat we have here is just and endless talking shop and no clear plan of what is needed. The Three Rivers Community Rail Partnership were meant to be taking a lead role as proponents (not sponsors). Well they aren't. Network Rail are nowhere to be seen, neither are the DfT, the ORR, and "Dr" Julian Lewis the local MP as always is a waste of space. Yes, David Harrison champions the reopening but doesn't argue persuasively with figures, depth or clarity. Contrast this with Okehampton. As for HCC their Transport Committee under Shaun Woodward never wanted to be involved in any expenditure at all and commissioned the fundamentally flawed Halcrow Report merely to put the whole thing to bed for ever. It's a shambles. Again as I said, nobody has even spoken with Exxon - how the heck does anybody know what is and is not feasible through and beyond the Refinery until they engage? "Fawley Parkway" at or around the old ISR plant at Hardley is a wasted opportunity and destroys a good business case, because Once Blackfield and Holbury people are on the A326 they'll stay on the A326. WHo in their right mind would get out of their car again after two miles, pay to park it, then enjoy a slow trundle to Soton Central that is no faster than their car? This proposal needs a champion and a vision. I have said several times that the REfinery is not the Berlin Wall and its internal land needs have changed - there is not a security risk if the existing perimeter fence is turned into a corridor for a single line, but where is there even a feasibility study? There is ample room for such a fenced corridor through the tank farm area far from the actual plant that is not a security risk, but a "real" Fawley Parkway at the southern end of the site accessed from Copthorne Lane would not only attract the Holbury/ Blackfield / Langley Marina Village hinterland but would be used as a freight raihead for the million tonnes or so of material to and from the new development. All that material is going on the A326 as it stands. This project needs leadership. As for signalling and infrastructure, it all needs relaying and ballasting anyway so given that fact why did the Halcrow report still talk about 30mph? The business case needs a 60-65mph line speed. Signalling does not need colour lights, nor does it need ETCS. We don't need Siemens proposing multi million pound case-killing solutiuons - It needs a cheap but proven innovation such as dynamic RETB as developed by Park Signalling here in the UK and used with great success on the Far North lines. We have had 25 years of talking and all that has happened is that we are still talking as on this thread - with bad ideas still being brought up over and over and over again.