Southeastern Metro 465/466 allocations

[90sWereBetter]

I spent time earlier this week trying to get more Networker mileage under my belt, given its uncertain how much longer the fleet have in service. After a few frustrating moments where either 707s (not brilliant but at least they're bright and have charging points) or 376s (dingy, miserable, the only plus point is that they're not a Class 153 ) turned up on some of my planned moves, I managed to get examples of all three extant 465 subclasses, plus a couple of 466s.

From my observations, it seemed that Victoria services were guaranteed to be Networkers, but the Cannon Street/Charing Cross services could be a mixture of all three types. Is this the rule, or are there any Cannon Street/Charing Cross services which are guaranteed Networkers, just as a guide for future bashes.

Annoyingly Southeastern are not yet giving allocation details to Realtime Trains, which is a shame. Conversely, I was also trying to collect SWR 455s earlier this week and their allocations being available has been a godsend in that regard!

 

[Robski_]

SE formations (not unit number allocations) are available on RailChecker for all classes in the SE fleet except for class 376's. You can also search for services formed of a specific type of train by going to the Search page, and entering the TOPS class - in this case, 465 - this may take a few seconds to load though.

 

[90sWereBetter]

That's excellent, many thanks!

 

[Stephen42]

Southeastern publish their diagrams on their freedom of information page here, doesn't have unit number allocations but shows what stock type in advance if that's useful. For Cannon Street/Charing Cross metro routes are a mix, Tunbridge Wells terminators usually are networkers.

 

[GW43125]

I spent time earlier this week trying to get more Networker mileage under my belt, given its uncertain how much longer the fleet have in service. After a few frustrating moments where either 707s (not brilliant but at least they're bright and have charging points) or 376s (dingy, miserable, the only plus point is that they're not a Class 153 ) turned up on some of my planned moves, I managed to get examples of all three extant 465 subclasses, plus a couple of 466s.

From my observations, it seemed that Victoria services were guaranteed to be Networkers, but the Cannon Street/Charing Cross services could be a mixture of all three types. Is this the rule, or are there any Cannon Street/Charing Cross services which are guaranteed Networkers, just as a guide for future bashes.

Annoyingly Southeastern are not yet giving allocation details to Realtime Trains, which is a shame. Conversely, I was also trying to collect SWR 455s earlier this week and their allocations being available has been a godsend in that regard!

One to look out for is the weekday peak Charing Cross-Tunbridge Wells shorts are usually some combination of 465s and 466s. These used to be guaranteed 465/9s back in the first class days, but even since I've not seen one be 375s.

 

[43066]

From my observations, it seemed that Victoria services were guaranteed to be Networkers, but the Cannon Street/Charing Cross services could be a mixture of all three types. Is this the rule, or are there any Cannon Street/Charing Cross services which are guaranteed Networkers, just as a guide for future bashes.

Eight car max on the Dartford/Orpy - Vic services due to platform lengths, so all are Networkers, but a mixed bag for the rest. You can tell from the formations; in the metro area four or eight car trains can only be Networkers, five cars cannot be.

Still quite a few 465/9s on the T-Wells services, although the 9s also crop up on metro services from time to time.

EDIT: you’re right on the 376s which are by far the worst SE units in service, in my view. They lack a/c like the Networkers, but also lack their decent hopper windows, because the Electrostar bodyshell was designed for A/C.