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What does Route: "." mean?

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alistairlees

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Yes it means any permitted. It’s intended to be used where there’s only one obvious (or permitted) route.
 

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As a single, almost imperceptible, dot.
Or as nothing at all - the dot was used because, at the time the route was introduced, some ticket issuing systems could not cope with the field being empty.
 

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And yet some routes with no alternative routes have tickets priced for any permitted and also route . with different prices
 

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They do exist; Birmingham to Rugeley is one example.

The supposed discrepancy is because the Any Permitted fares are priced by West Midlands and relate to a larger ‘cluster’ of stations than the route ‘dot’ fares which are priced by the combined authority.
 
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Wokingham to Theale has Any Permitted and "." tickets, both set by GWR. The Any Permitted tickets are significantly more expensive and are similar in price to Wokingham to Newbury tickets (though not always identical in price).
 

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Wokingham to Theale has Any Permitted and "." tickets, both set by GWR. The Any Permitted tickets are significantly more expensive and are similar in price to Wokingham to Newbury tickets (though not always identical in price).
That's a similar situation to the Birmingham - Rugeley one, but both involving the same TOC.

Presumably they were originally both routed Any Permitted, so the point-to-point fares overrode the cluster-to-cluster ones.

Moving the point-to-point flow to route "." has broken that.
 

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They do exist; Birmingham to Rugeley is one example.

In this case, does the . fare have the same validity in terms of routeing?

Although, apparently not the same with respect to time restrictions (following scenario refers to Off-Peak) - if one holds the cheaper . fare which has a Birmingham evening peak restriction, what would the correct excess be? Excess to the Any Permitted or excess to the Anytime?
 

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Wokingham to Theale has Any Permitted and "." tickets, both set by GWR. The Any Permitted tickets are significantly more expensive and are similar in price to Wokingham to Newbury tickets (though not always identical in price).
This does beg the question how a passenger knows, or even describes, which ticket they are seeking? I can't imagine many people asking for 'a Wokingham to Theale Day Return via the "" route'.
 
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This does beg the question how a passenger knows, or even describes, which ticket they are seeking? I can't imagine many people asking for 'a Wokingham to Theale Day Return via the "" route'.
The whole point is that they don't need to know... Both tickets have identical validity.

The point is that the "." route is intended for where there are no other routes available, so that ticket is the only option.
 

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The whole point is that they don't need to know... Both tickets have identical validity.
But different prices. Anyone at a TVM with both fares visible risks picking the wring one, or at the very least being confused, to say nothing of an inexperienced member of ticket office staff unfamiliar with fares offering the wrong one.
 

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But different prices. Anyone at a TVM with both fares visible risks picking the wring one, or at the very least being confused, to say nothing of an inexperienced member of ticket office staff unfamiliar with fares offering the wrong one.
Yes, they should never exist with both routes. Unfortunately the industry has never been very good at validating the data entered to prevent nonsense like this
 
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But different prices. Anyone at a TVM with both fares visible risks picking the wring one, or at the very least being confused, to say nothing of an inexperienced member of ticket office staff unfamiliar with fares offering the wrong one.

Exactly this! This happened to me.

 

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Yes, they should never exist with both routes. Unfortunately the industry has never been very good at validating the data entered to prevent nonsense like this
My understanding is that the "sense checking" in the fares system is basically limited to "Are you trying to create a duplicate of an existing route/product?" (that being defined as one that has the same origin, destination and route code.)

Anything else is dependent on the Mk1 eyeball.
 

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Yes, they should never exist with both routes. Unfortunately the industry has never been very good at validating the data entered to prevent nonsense like this
It's the fundamental problem that the underlying architecture of the fares structure having been designed by a single entity (BR) but then divvyed up between different operators who are not allowed to 'collude' on prices or routes, delivering via an infrastructure which is required to 'do what it is told'.
If we ever get to an arms' length body in charge of the industry it will need to have more active control of the overall fare structure if it is ever to deliver on endless promises by politicians to make fares more joined up and easier to use.
 

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It's the fundamental problem that the underlying architecture of the fares structure having been designed by a single entity (BR) but then divvyed up between different operators who are not allowed to 'collude' on prices or routes, delivering via an infrastructure which is required to 'do what it is told'.
Not forgetting the occasional DfT interference in pricing, such as the additional 3% increase for Day Travelcards to appease TfL despite them not being a regulated fare.
 
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