Wigan to Liverpool via Warrington

[snail]

According to the Routeing Guide Wigan to Liverpool is valid via maps WG and CP. WG is via Warrington and Hunts Cross, CP is the direct route via Huyton.

An Anytime Day Return is £9.30, with no restrictions according to brfares.com. But if I put Wigan NW to Liverpool Lime St via Warrington into the NR website it says I need 2 tickets for each leg, total £19.00.

Is the NR website wrong? Would I be challenged if I get a Warrington Central to Lime St train on a Wigan Stations to Liverpool Stations ticket?

 

[TOCDriver]

According to the Routeing Guide Wigan to Liverpool is valid via maps WG and CP. WG is via Warrington and Hunts Cross, CP is the direct route via Huyton.

An Anytime Day Return is £9.30, with no restrictions according to brfares.com. But if I put Wigan NW to Liverpool Lime St via Warrington into the NR website it says I need 2 tickets for each leg, total £19.00.

Is the NR website wrong? Would I be challenged if I get a Warrington Central to Lime St train on a Wigan Stations to Liverpool Stations ticket?

I have no doubt whatsoever you would be challenged. There are plenty of direct services from Wigan North Western to Lime Street

 

[bb21]

I have no doubt whatsoever you would be challenged. There are plenty of direct services from Wigan North Western to Lime Street

That's not what he asked though.

Is the NR website wrong? Would I be challenged if I get a Warrington Central to Lime St train on a Wigan Stations to Liverpool Stations ticket?

Yes, the "hidden" version of the Routeing Guide may well not have it as a permitted route, however the public version is clear that Liverpool Group to Wigan Group is perfectly permitted via Warrington Group.

 

[sheff1]

I have no doubt whatsoever you would be challenged.

You have no doubt ?

How can you be so certain that every guard working these services is unaware of the provisions of the Routeing Guide ?

I regularly travel on this section with a far less 'reasonable', but valid, ticket and have never been challenged.

 

[snail]

Thanks for the responses. I very much doubt I would be challenged as it's a logical (but longer) alternative to the direct route but I wanted to check if others had done anything similar.

 

[Aldaniti]

I've used a Wigan to Liverpool Day Return ticket twice in recent weeks via Warrington - on both TPX and EMT services. The guard on each train has happily clipped the tickets. As a backup, I booked online and took a printed itinery with me but have never required them. Timewise, its only a few minutes longer than the all stations via St Helens service and means you can avoid exposing yourself to the squalor of Northern Rail.

 

[TOCDriver]

Well, I'm quite surprised by the responses. (but not by being shouted down at which appears to be quite common on these forums) I certainly would challenge it based on my knowledge of the routing and the fact that it would take significantly longer going via Warrington. But then again, I'm not a guard.

 

[tony_mac]

I certainly would challenge it based on my knowledge of the routing and the fact that it would take significantly longer going via Warrington. But then again, I'm not a guard.

Depending on what time you arrive, and how fast you can walk, it can easily be faster to travel via Warrington - particularly in the evening. Ticketing websites will happily suggest the 19:30 from Wigan via Warrington rather than wait for the slow 20:08 direct.

The travel time is about the same as the fast direct services, and quite a bit quicker than the stoppers. It's only really the walk between stations that makes it an odd route.

 

[yorkie]

I certainly would challenge it based on my knowledge of the routing

What is your knowledge of the Routeing Guide?

and the fact that it would take significantly longer going via Warrington

Journey time isn't a factor in routeing permissions. If the fastest route was always permitted, and significantly slower routes were permitted, that would drastically alter the permitted routeings for many flows.