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Who is the other one? East Coast? Northern now the 180s have gone?
Others that I failed on was EMT forgot about the 222s and FCC now they have the 377s
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Who is the other one? East Coast? Northern now the 180s have gone?
Others that I failed on was EMT forgot about the 222s and FCC now they have the 377s
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I think the other TOCs with entirley pre-privatization fleets are East Coast (HST/IC225) and Merseyrail (507/508). Northern have 333s so that rules them out.
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I wasn't sure about the 333s age but must admit I forgot about merseyrail.
The 333s are from 2000 as they were ordered after the success of the West Yorkshire triangle made it clear that it was worthwhile ordering modern rolling stock for the routes (rather than the hand-me-down 308s the services started with).
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For a bonus point, name the three TOCs with entirely post-privatization fleets :P
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for a bonus point, name the three tocs with entirely post-privatization fleets
XC, First TPE, London Overground?
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XC have HSTs...
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c2c or whatever the call themselves at the moment.
Virgin would be a good call if you don't include the 90s + mk3, they are only temporary afterall
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Dope - completely forgot that! Surely I'm right with the other two though, or do London Overground still have some 313s or 150s kicking around?
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Virgin would be a good call if you don't include the 90s + mk3, they are only temporary afterall
I was thinking that too!
c2c, TPE and LO.
LO's fleet is the youngest at just over a year and a half old on average.
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c2c, First TPE and London Overground are the three. Virgin doesn't ccount, due to the pretendilino
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2 out of 3 isn't bad! Can't believe I briefly forgot for a moment that XC had HSTs, I was sat on one from Penzance to Exeter yesterday!
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I was on a 108 (Derby Lightweight) unit from Manchester one day which failed at Northwich. In those days. there was still a depot at Northwich so cue class 40 dropped onto the front & superpower back to Chester!
Two odd couplings that were attempted but didn't happen were;
- At Derby one day when an attempt was made to couple a 150 to a 120. It was funny watching this as it took the shunter a while to figure it wasn't going to happen.
- An 87 being rostered for the erstwhile Manchester Pullman at Piccadilly. 87 air braked only, Pullman set vacuum braked only = no way!
Many years ago, I was at Sheffield when 56017 (air braked) arrived, slowly dragging a failed 47 and train (vac braked only). Fortunately, although the 47 could not haul the train, it was still able to provide a vacuum for the coaching stock.
Well they'd win the competition for who has a fleet comprised entirely of pre-nationalization rolling stock but not one for post-privatization
The 483s are originally 1938 tube stock so are around 74 years old at this point.
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Considering they've had the same fleet since 1989 (and it was 50 years old even then), nope.
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And are likely to overtake the Glasgow Subway 1896 stock (which retired in 1977) as the oldest units in non-heritage operation.
Althoough it's wrong to say they are pre-nationalization. The Tube was nationalized in 1933.
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True. Though I was running on the basis that they operate on the big railway so I thought I'd use a big railway milestone as a descriptor.
O L Leigh
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I don't believe these units are equipped for multiple-working, but am prepared to be corrected.
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D841 Roebuck
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Not units, but the oldest non-heritage stock in the UK could be considered to be on the Snowdon Mountain Railway. Depends how you define heritage/preserved, really.
Peter Mugridge
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I'll raise you a 56 propelling two EPBs in passenger service.
Photo has been posted twice before on the forum, but I can post it up again if you can't find it on a search...
I've seen plenty of 158/156 combinations, and plenty of 156/144s, mostly near my aunt's house in Crosshills, just down the road from Skipton. On one occasion, they managed to run a 158/144. Apparently, the Bendy-bus usually comes from Morecambe and the 158 from Carlisle, they combine at Skipton. I also think I remember a 312 once buffering up and shoving a 47 plus 6 coaches over Welwyn Viaduct (downhill all the way), but I was very young at the time, and I'm not quite sure. All I know was I left Stevenage behind a 47, which failed, and arrived in London in a 312.
One I didn't see was the famous incident where Western Champion, while waiting for railtour passengers to return to Temple Meads, was suddenly started up and dashed off to collect a failed HST.
One I didn't see was the famous incident where Western Champion, while waiting for railtour passengers to return to Temple Meads, was suddenly started up and dashed off to collect a failed HST.
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Oddest coupling?
A 378 coupled up to a 350 in P9 at Euston a few days ago.
A 378 coupled up to a 350 in P9 at Euston a few days ago.
Oddest coupling?
A 378 coupled up to a 350 in P9 at Euston a few days ago.
Ah yes. I was waiting for this one to pop-up. According to the logs, the 378 driver misjudged the braking distance and there was an accidental impact of about 1.6mph if I remember correctly. Enough to cause a mechanical coupling.
The MOM pointed out that the shoegear was down on the 378 and the pan was up on the 350 causing people to expect smoke...
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Strangest I've been on is half a 156 + a 153, but I've got a picture somewhere of a failed 304 being propelled by a 47-hauled express.
northwichcat
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Is one of them Island Line ? ( Isle of White)
Island Line is a subsidiary of South West Trains, so in theory the ex-Tube stock belongs to the same operator as the majority of the modern Desiros.
Eagle
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Had to do the maths on that one :P
It's not actually a majority; by my reckoning (i.e. taking the numbers off Wikipedia) SWT has 172 out of 354 Desiros, or 48.5%.
When the 350/3s and 350/4s are delivered it'll be 172 out of 374, or 46%.
Reference: there are 51×185, 67×350, 26×360, 38×380, 45×444 and 127×450.
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Is that a typo? There are 26 360s not 9.
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Eagle
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26 actually...
You'll never guess what I did; I misread the number of cars per unit as the number of units... four for 360/1 and five for 360/2.
In that case SWT don't operate a majority of Desiros. Post amended.
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