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They are definitely worth a ride on! They are much more airy inside than B7RLEs as you aren't sat above the engine and watching them bend around the tight corners in Bath is good fun. I used to combine taking the 18 up to the University of Bath with walking back into the centre via the Bath Skyline Walk for a nice afternoon out.

Yeah, been on similar Go NE ones but not the Bath ones. Must sort that out in 2015 along with.....

Getting an AvonRider and doing the 35/79/620/622
Having a trip on some of the lesser Bath services (not 5/13/14)
Revisiting the X53 - must be 2006 since I did that
Doing less on the 376/379
Try a Forest of Dean Stagecoach day - 2007 (?) since I last did that

Guess with the artics is that they've been there and you take them for granted!
 
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I had a lovely trip on 66732 yesterday on the 379. It's one of my favourite buses. I also saw another one of my favourites - 69435 - in Bristol - suggesting that Steve White is wrong and it hasn't moved to Leicester.

Quite a mixture on 178/379 yesterday - of what I saw 2 Streetlites, 2 B7s and 2 Darts.

I've always said that my favourite buses are the 54 plate Eclipses. They're just an older version of the 59 plate Eclipses really. Much better than the 55 plate ones as well - the 54 plates are quicker and speed up Dunkerton hill. They're very well suited to country routes. This year I'd like to see 66730-4 move to Wells, replacing the B10s. Then something new on the 376 - not Streetlites - which would displace the 59 plates to Bath for 265, which would then move 66719 to Weston, along with a couple of 55 plates and the remainder of B7s would stay in Bath on 231 and 319. I also think 66728 and 66729 should move down to Weston. That would then replace all their old non-DDA compliant stuff I expect.

I also really can't see the Darts staying around Bath and Bristol. I'm expecting many of them to be replacements for the old R and S Reg Darts elsewhere (along with a few based in Wells).

It would be really nice to see a stack of Streetlites come in this year into Bath, Hengrove and Lawrence Hill, along with some better stuff for 376. A lot of change is coming and I really can't wait.
 
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The Hengrove/Leicester swap has started but I think only 3 buses each way so far have changed hands. I've passed many eclipses on the 70/71 all week
 

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The Hengrove/Leicester swap has started but I think only 3 buses each way so far have changed hands. I've passed many eclipses on the 70/71 all week

Sounds like we have 33560/4/6. I know Leicester as 69449 (see picture on Steve Whites site) - what else do they have?
 

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Again, I'd question how many fail as opposed to just being massively delayed. Also, same thing....are you going to have depots in case of breakdowns in which case Dursley (which gets the peachiest kit) would need one.

If one was delayed another could be started later on along the route, similar to how it is with trains.

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If were to split it as per FTV33, then you may as well just double the 37, truncate the 42 at Cherry Gardens, and run the 319 as per the old 318 to Keynsham. However, I don't know how much Bath to (past Kingswood) trade there is

Would cutting the 42 back to Cherry Gardens mean that Bitton would lose its link to Keynsham?

Also does the 37 warrant a doubling in service?

I had a lovely trip on 66732 yesterday on the 379. It's one of my favourite buses. I also saw another one of my favourites - 69435 - in Bristol - suggesting that Steve White is wrong and it hasn't moved to Leicester.

Oh yes I was supposed to comment on this. I was surprised to see 69435 at UWE on the 70 as I thought this, 69436, 69449 and 69450 had moved up to Leicester.
 

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The Hengrove/Leicester swap has started but I think only 3 buses each way so far have changed hands. I've passed many eclipses on the 70/71 all week

Yep, saw either 69459 or 60 at TM on the 71 yesterday. Photo evidence confirms the existence of 36/49/50 in Leicester.
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If one was delayed another could be started later on along the route, similar to how it is with trains.



Would cutting the 42 back to Cherry Gardens mean that Bitton would lose its link to Keynsham?

Also does the 37 warrant a doubling in service?
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Having a half hourly 37 as opposed to the current set up means 2 not 3 bph running along the A431 and at a balanced clockface timetable. Remember the 319 was only hourly Bath to Oldland before the 318 got chopped.

And no, the 42 doesn't serve Bitton Village but Cherry Gardens. Running a diverted 319 would drop that to half hourly as it would follow the same route as the 42. The 42 isn't exactly busy to Keynsham! Cherry Gardens ain't Bitton - despite what the destination says!

As regards slipping in a vehicle in part route on the 319, a depot at Patchway is hardly the answer. It's at the other end. Also, the 231 tends to use more aged kit and it doesn't suffer in the same manner. It's about traffic congestion (like just before Xmas when it took me 45 mins to go from Emersons to Abbey Wood - could run it faster!!!

Gricer note - saw 32282 in Keynsham yesterday's on 38 with front blind as new (?) LED but retaining flipdot on the side. Looked odd though sure punters don't give a stuff.
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I've always said that my favourite buses are the 54 plate Eclipses. They're just an older version of the 59 plate Eclipses really. Much better than the 55 plate ones as well - the 54 plates are quicker and speed up Dunkerton hill. They're very well suited to country routes. This year I'd like to see 66730-4 move to Wells, replacing the B10s. Then something new on the 376 - not Streetlites - which would displace the 59 plates to Bath for 265, which would then move 66719 to Weston, along with a couple of 55 plates and the remainder of B7s would stay in Bath on 231 and 319. I also think 66728 and 66729 should move down to Weston. That would then replace all their old non-DDA compliant stuff I expect.

I also really can't see the Darts staying around Bath and Bristol. I'm expecting many of them to be replacements for the old R and S Reg Darts elsewhere (along with a few based in Wells).

It would be really nice to see a stack of Streetlites come in this year into Bath, Hengrove and Lawrence Hill, along with some better stuff for 376. A lot of change is coming and I really can't wait.

I think that's wishful thinking. I thought you might see the 377 gain the W regs and see the R and S reg Renowns off but I'm not certain that they'll be going. Whilst the Eclipses would be nice, I can't see them appearing on the 375/X75 and they'd be overkill on the 161! Don't get me wrong- they're nice and I'd love to see them on the X75/377 but just don't expect it to happen.

Like I say, the Darts will probably go with some Solos returning back to WS. Whilst Streetlites will appear, the 2005/6 ones will remain much in evidence on stuff like the 81-3, 267, 234, 231, and appearing on 5 and 36!
 
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Having a half hourly 37 as opposed to the current set up means 2 not 3 bph running along the A431 and at a balanced clockface timetable. Remember the 319 was only hourly Bath to Oldland before the 318 got chopped.

And no, the 42 doesn't serve Bitton Village but Cherry Gardens. Running a diverted 319 would drop that to half hourly as it would follow the same route as the 42. The 42 isn't exactly busy to Keynsham! Cherry Gardens ain't Bitton - despite what the destination says!

As regards slipping in a vehicle in part route on the 319, a depot at Patchway is hardly the answer. It's at the other end. Also, the 231 tends to use more aged kit and it doesn't suffer in the same manner. It's about traffic congestion (like just before Xmas when it took me 45 mins to go from Emersons to Abbey Wood - could run it faster!!!

Gricer note - saw 32282 in Keynsham yesterday's on 38 with front blind as new (?) LED but retaining flipdot on the side. Looked odd though sure punters don't give a stuff.

Fair enough. I was always a bit surprised that the 42 was permanently extended to Keynsham.
 

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Fair enough. I was always a bit surprised that the 42 was permanently extended to Keynsham.

Yeah, and I don't know why Cherry Gardens that had appeared on blinds for a while suddenly became Bitton when it isn't. Really, Willsbridge or Oldland Common might be more appropriate when, in truth, it stops short of Bitton
 

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Yeah, and I don't know why Cherry Gardens that had appeared on blinds for a while suddenly became Bitton when it isn't. Really, Willsbridge or Oldland Common might be more appropriate when, in truth, it stops short of Bitton

A few years back the 41 used to go to Cherry Gardens didn't it?
 

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Indeed it did, Cherry Gardens to Avonmouth - the X67 also ran there (I think?)

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/77751183@N07/7251271918/in/set-72157629741781173/

Oh was it a through service? I didn't realise that. It was funny as I remember seeing a Gemini on the route a few years back, and I just presumed it was in a group of services such as with the 42-45, as I also remember seeing a 43 to Cadbury Heath and I joked with my mother saying she'd love Cadbury Heath as she loves Cadbury's chocolate (in reality she'd never love Cadbury Heath - who would! :lol: )

But of course today's 41 goes to Henbury and Avonmouth!
 

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Oh was it a through service? I didn't realise that. It was funny as I remember seeing a Gemini on the route a few years back, and I just presumed it was in a group of services such as with the 42-45, as I also remember seeing a 43 to Cadbury Heath and I joked with my mother saying she'd love Cadbury Heath as she loves Cadbury's chocolate (in reality she'd never love Cadbury Heath - who would! :lol: )

But of course today's 41 goes to Henbury and Avonmouth!

For a number of years, there was no 42. When I first moved down, it was 41/43/44/45. Think the 42 appeared when 41 was split but Swifty will know better than me.

Not certain why you've a downer on Cadbury Heath. Granted, it not Chew Magna but it's far from the roughest area of Bristol. When I lived locally, I'd have no concerns running or cycling through there.
 

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Used to be a 40 also that went from Henbury way to St George back in the early 90's

41: Avonmouth - Cherry Gardens (Split to become the 41/42)
42: Avonmouth - Cherry Gardens (Ceased 2005 ish?)
43: Cribbs Causeway - Park Estate (Split to become 40/43)
43B: Park Estate - Westbury (One service a day) (Ceased 2005ish)
X67: Centre - Cherry Gardens (Was withdrawn)
 

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For a number of years, there was no 42. When I first moved down, it was 41/43/44/45. Think the 42 appeared when 41 was split but Swifty will know better than me.

Not certain why you've a downer on Cadbury Heath. Granted, it not Chew Magna but it's far from the roughest area of Bristol. When I lived locally, I'd have no concerns running or cycling through there.

The 40-43 all used to be cross city routes but gradually over the years they've been chopped and changed to what we've got today. The 44A was a Sunday and evening service that operated as far as Cherry Gardens as well to provide a link to Aspects until recently.

I have to agree as well about Cadbury Heath, I don't see where you've got this idea about it from, it's really not that bad!
 

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Used to be a 40 also that went from Henbury way to St George back in the early 90's

41: Avonmouth - Cherry Gardens (Split to become the 41/42)
42: Avonmouth - Cherry Gardens (Ceased 2005 ish?)
43: Cribbs Causeway - Park Estate (Split to become 40/43)
43B: Park Estate - Westbury (One service a day) (Ceased 2005ish)
X67: Centre - Cherry Gardens (Was withdrawn)

It's nearly 10 yrs since I moved that way. I can't recall the old 42 but do remember the X67 so that might have gone 2006? I think they split the 41 about 2008/9 because of unreliability
 

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It's nearly 10 yrs since I moved that way. I can't recall the old 42 but do remember the X67 so that might have gone 2006? I think they split the 41 about 2008/9 because of unreliability

To be fair the 41/43 were extremely unreliable and splitting them was the best option. Was kind of a shame to see the X67 go but to be fair Cherry Gardens isn't exactly the busiest place ever. Maybe a fast service to Longwell Green but to be fair I think there are other places that would warrant an Express service more.
 

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It's nearly 10 yrs since I moved that way. I can't recall the old 42 but do remember the X67 so that might have gone 2006? I think they split the 41 about 2008/9 because of unreliability

The original 40 disappeared around 1998 and the new 40 started in 2006 when the 43 was split. The 41 was split at the end of 2010 and saw the new 42 introduced over the eastern section, the old 42 having been withdrawn in 2003. The X67 also ended in 2006 and it was a good service for Cherry Gardens as it cut a significant amount of time out of the otherwise tedious 42 circuit!

As you say the unreliability or such a long cross city route was given as reasons for the splits. Maybe they could do the same with the 319 and go back to operating as the 331 to UWE, with a new UWE Cribbs service <D!
 
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Cadbury Heath used to be called Park Estate up till about 10 years ago. For some reason they officially changed it to the somewhat posher sounding Cadbury Heath. It's unusual for a district of Bristol to be renamed. I've been through there on several occasions back in the 80's, 90's, and the 10's, and it doesn't seem that bad an area really. Certainly not as bad as areas such as Easton, Knowle West, Hartcliffe, and Southmead.
 

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Maybe a fast service to Longwell Green but to be fair I think there are other places that would warrant an Express service more.

You mean the 37? ;) Even with an extra 10 minute wait over the 45 you're pretty much guaranteed to have overtaken the 45 by Summerhill.
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Cadbury Heath used to be called Park Estate up till about 10 years ago. For some reason they officially changed it to the somewhat posher sounding Cadbury Heath. It's unusual for a district of Bristol to be renamed. I've been through there on several occasions back in the 80's, 90's, and the 10's, and it doesn't seem that bad an area really. Certainly not as bad as areas such as Easton, Knowle West, Hartcliffe, and Southmead.

Cadbury Heath was there long before the Park Estate was built, known locally as Banjo Island. Cadbury Heath used to refer to the area to the north of Banjo but over the years the whole area has gradually been referred to as Cadbury Heath, coincidentally First also changed destination displays from Park Estate.
 

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I think I see what you mean about the loadings. I travelled on the 82 on Saturday I expected the bus to become rammed with passengers when we reached Cribbs Causeway. However only a few people boarded.

I also couldn't resist having a look at how many people boarded the 82 in Yate to go to Wotton. The loadings definitely seemed to be lower than I've previously seen on the 84 and 86 from Wessex but that may have just been coincidence. Would I be right in thinking that the 84 and 86 are still the preferred routes?

I've ended up at Cribbs a few times on Monday afternoons and turned down the 82 to travel home due to the bus being packed with college students. However, I do think that having the route serving SGS Filton has helped boost the passenger numbers on what could have otherwise been, a very quiet route. Does anyone else agree with this?



Must be a one-off and may be a first?

Back in the mid-seventies I used to live in Wotton-under-Edge. I seem to remember that BOC always used 49, 51 or 53 seater REs on the longer services towards Bristol, Stroud and Gloucester. I think these days First, and Wessex on the 84 and 86, tend to use the smallest vehicles they have available.

Loadings certainly don't warrant double-deckers!
 

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You mean the 37? ;) Even with an extra 10 minute wait over the 45 you're pretty much guaranteed to have overtaken the 45 by Summerhill.
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Cadbury Heath was there long before the Park Estate was built, known locally as Banjo Island. Cadbury Heath used to refer to the area to the north of Banjo but over the years the whole area has gradually been referred to as Cadbury Heath, coincidentally First also changed destination displays from Park Estate.

Might be better if they made the 37 faster by running limited stop from Hanham into town - thought when they renumbered various routes that it would become something like the X45 (in similar vein to the X49) rather than the 37!

As for Bristol's most "vibrant" areas, there's some guys who make a quest of visiting all the pubs in the Bristol area (avonpacket website). They go everywhere except south of the Airport road after an incident in Hartcliffe, hence it's off the menu for H&S reasons!
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The original 40 disappeared around 1998 and the new 40 started in 2006 when the 43 was split. The 41 was split at the end of 2010 and saw the new 42 introduced over the eastern section, the old 42 having been withdrawn in 2003. The X67 also ended in 2006 and it was a good service for Cherry Gardens as it cut a significant amount of time out of the otherwise tedious 42 circuit!

As you say the unreliability or such a long cross city route was given as reasons for the splits. Maybe they could do the same with the 319 and go back to operating as the 331 to UWE, with a new UWE Cribbs service <D!

Thanks for reminding me and clarifying those dates.

That was exactly what I was thinking of in terms of a Bath to UWE service, and a Cribbs to UWE (and perhaps to Kingswood or Keynsham)route. ;) Just couldn't recall the service numbers
 
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Not certain why you've a downer on Cadbury Heath. Granted, it not Chew Magna but it's far from the roughest area of Bristol. When I lived locally, I'd have no concerns running or cycling through there.

I personally don't think it's that bad but my friend who lives in Kingswood says it's not too glamorous!

32254 out today on the 44's.... Is this the only one
Out so far?

No, 32255 was on the 40 on Friday.
 

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Don't be mean!

Admittedly it's not bad as Hartcliffe or Easton, but still....

You try them and see what I mean.... The Kings Head is known locally as the Swamp! The Colliers is perhaps the most hardcore Wetherspoons I've ever been in.... and I like it all the more for it!

As for Hartcliffe, the Avon Packet said after a confrontation on a Sunday lunchtime in the Fulford House pub was...

"What all this means, of course, is that the whole of Hartcliffe — including the obviously unhinged Hartcliffe Inn — have been excluded from our remit on Health and Safety grounds. Avonpacket considers itself a worthwhile, and at times exhilerating, challenge. It is not, however, an extreme sport. Let’s try to keep it that way eh?"

Basically, they'll go to any pub in any place but not Hartcliffe! That said, I'm sure there's a lot more good people than bad.
 

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well done first for ruining a good service

the 121 always carried passengers maybe low numbers but it carried no one I kept looking out for the A2 today and I saw several trips including the 09:20 ish trip now the 121 that use to run at this time both to Weston and Bristol always carried passengers prob about 8 or 9 each maybe more on the one into Bristol today the grand total was one person no one leaving or getting on.

the next moan about the service is the drivers display A2 Bristol airport on some trips which is fine but the route carries on else where

so I wonder how long it will be before the people of Wrington and Winford start to go to the press about the cuts
 

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I also couldn't resist having a look at how many people boarded the 82 in Yate to go to Wotton. The loadings definitely seemed to be lower than I've previously seen on the 84 and 86 from Wessex but that may have just been coincidence. Would I be right in thinking that the 84 and 86 are still the preferred routes?

It depends on where you live. Although First offer the most direct journey between Yate and Wotton-under-Edge the 82 is of no use if you live in one of the outlying villages that only the 84 and 86 serve.

I wouldn't mind betting that the regulars are in the main sticking to Wessex, some of whom seem to know the drivers quite well. :D
 

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32254 out today on the 44's.... Is this the only one
Out so far?

I haven't been taking note of numbers over the last week but the 6/7 seems to be a sure bet for them.
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Might be better if they made the 37 faster by running limited stop from Hanham into town - thought when they renumbered various routes that it would become something like the X45 (in similar vein to the X49) rather than the 37!

Of course it used to be limited stop and set down only after The Maypole, stopping only at Aldi, Lawrence Hill Station & Lawrence Hill to pick up IIRC.

Picking up about the doubling of the 37 that was mentioned yesterday, it was rumoured a few years back now that it was going to be increased to a half hourly headway, but that was back when the L-TFB Lances were being used!

What would be good is to look at the spacing of the 37 when the 45 is running hourly. I don't see the point of two buses running one behind the other from Longwell Green to Town once an hour? Surely swap the 45 to the other side of the hour (and then the 44 run the opposite side of the hour) so that the 37/45 give the Longwell Green to Maypole a 30 minute service?
 

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Haven't had any luck getting any more rides on any of the Enviro 400's on the 75 & 76 yet. I was lucky to have got a ride on one last Monday as I mentioned. But with currently only 3 Enviro 400's out of 48 buses in use on the 75 & 76 on weekdays and with usually just two journeys I do on these services on most weekdays, obviously the chances are very slim of getting a ride on those beauties instead of Gemini's!

Anyone know if the Enviro 400's are on the 75 & 76 on Saturdays? If so if I get a few hours(or more really if necessary) spare on an upcoming Saturday I will have to try and hunt one down to get a good long ride on. Probably the best strategy would be to goto Cribbs Causeway and wait there for a while till one pulls in on the 75 or 76. That's if they're even on these services on Saturdays. As I did see one on the 51 on Saturday. Maybe try and hunt one down on the 51 on a Saturday instead? Allthough I could try that and there's not any on there on the particular Saturday I try!
 
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