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OK, so here we go again.
This time I went with 2 mates, 45135 and another bloke who spent some time with us and some time off on his own.
As usual, I'm grateful to 45135 for the HST and unit numbers.
Techniquest, I hear what you're saying about solo moves.
I can very much enjoy a move on my own and have no problem spending a week in my own company, however, I must admit I do prefer moves shared with mates.
We had so many laughs and still do when two or three of us get together.

On this move, I took with me a disposable camera that produced largely poor results, although I did get a couple of half decent shots.

Anyway, on with the show.

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It was June 1999 when I did my next all-liner. This time I was not alone, a couple of my mates were coming with me. It was nearly nine months since my last rover and I was itching to get out.
This move certainly scratched that itch, it was a mammoth nine day event starting with a bit of spinning around West Yorkshire and finishing with a bit of spinning on a multi-traction railtour.

Friday the 11th of June was the day we started and we began by doing a few 91s and the beast that is 89001 on runs to and from Leeds to fill the time before the move started properly.
This was when 1V67, the 18.03 Newcastle – Bristol arrived behind 47844. We jumped aboard and we were off.
We planned to do the overnight Birmingham International to Holyhead service and the first stop after midnight was Stafford, so after arriving at New Street we purchased a single to there and awaited our steed.
This was the time of “The Great North Wales Bogie Farce” which had seen the usual 37/4s taken out of service after a piece of a bogie had fallen off one of them (37421 I think, but my memory might be playing tricks).
This was bad news for the railway but great news for cranks as numerous other 37s, many of them no heat, had to be drafted in to keep the trains running.

We were hoping for something exotic on the overnight and we got our wish.
37250 was the beast in question.
Sadly, this monster only worked as far as Crewe, where it came off.
What would replace it?
Another NB in the shape of 37675!
Dud, but very nice all the same.
The former “William Cookworthy” stayed with us for the rest of the night, working to Holyhead and then back to Birmingham.

More usual traction in the shape of 47822 followed for a run to Stafford.

My mate had recently invested in one of those new fangled mobile phone things and had immediately subscribed to something called “Rail-Gen” I’d never heard of it and was very dubious when he received a message saying that massive 37040 was booked to put in an appearance on that afternoon’s Bristol – Weymouth service.
Nevertheless, we decided to cover it.
From Stafford we headed South on 86212.
No missed mileage opportunity this time as it came off at New Street for 47828 forward to Taunton.
47848 was then taken back to Temple Meads and we waited to see what would happen.
The gen was that the morning out and back turn had been covered by a RES liveried 47 as the booked driver didn’t sign 37s and so it was no surprise when the incoming service had such a machine on the front. Unfortunately, I didn’t make a note of what it was.

We waited on tenterhooks for a while and let out a combined sigh of relief/ cheer when 37040 did indeed back on the train.

We were planning on dossing at my house that night, so we had to head back North.
This meant that we could only enjoy the growler as far as Westbury before bailing for a HST (43183/43142) to Reading.
Not massive mileage, but it was the only time I ever had 37040.

Traction to Coventry was provided by 47831, with 87002 taking us forward to New Street.

Here's 87002, wearing its Porterbrook livery, in 2004:
87002_2004.08.14_1_Crewe by philwood55013, on Flickr

From there it was another HST, 43090 & 43180 to Wakefield.
The next morning we drove to Wakefield and began the day as we had finished the previous one, with a HST, this time 43084 & 43103. We did this to New Street, via the seemingly common Sunday reversal at Sheffield that took in Woodhouse Junction.

As was often the case, Sunday was drags day and so we hoped to get a few EWS 47s in. There wasn’t anything imminent direct to Nuneaton, so we reached it by going to Stafford on 86240 and then 90011.
The first drag loco of the day was 47739. This was dragging 90013 on a Wolverhampton service and was due to work the next departure back to Nuneaton, so we stayed on the skoda for a round trip to Wolves. When 90013 arrived back in New Street it was 47747 that was waiting to power the next leg and this was done to Nuneaton for 47565 back.
After this it was down to Reading for the sleeper and the bit from Birmingham to there was worked by 47851.

47830 was our travelling companion as we slept, but when we awoke we saw there must have been an issue as we were running late. Normally the sleeper arrived in Penzance with a few minutes to spare before an XC service was due to depart, but we had to bail at Truro in order to make it. 47828 was the traction and we took this to Exeter before going for some lunch.

Next up was another Northbound Cross Country service, this time worked by 47831.
We took this to Bristol and then it was a somewhat roundabout route, to say the least, as we headed back to Liskeard for the up sleeper.
We did 150249 Bristol – Cardiff, 150279 Cardiff – Taffs Well and back, presumably to score the track, 43133 & 43131 Cardiff – Bridgend, followed by 153368 (I shall interrupt here to quote 45135 – “The dogbox was on something like a Swansea-Penzance and I remember seeing it coming round the corner at Bridgend in disbelief and horror!”).
After deciding we weren’t going to suffer this as far West as we intended, we leapt at Bristol and then continued on 43029 & 43008 to Exeter, 43177 & 43182 to Plymouth and finally 153355 to Liskeard.

We were expecting 47830 again on the sleeper, but to our surprise it was 47832 that rolled in. Evidently something had been amiss with 47830. Maybe that’s what had caused the delay the previous night.

We had done it that way as we planned to cover the Gatwick turns and so, after reaching Paddington, it was over to Victoria and 73203. As we arrived at Gatwick the previous diagram was just leaving and so we had a choice of doing 73203 back on the next turn or waiting to see what turned up after that.
Former Scottish “shove duff” 47702 had fairly recently been added to the Virgin Cross Country fleet and when that pulled in we decided to do it for old times’ sake and so it was off to East Croydon.
We followed that up with CIGs 1860/1864 into Victoria and 73205 to Gatwick, then it was back to East Croydon for the second, but not last, time that day. This time we went on 319434.
47831 took us from there to Brighton, where we had a short break before retracing our steps behind the same engine. East Croydon three times in one day, which was a first.
We were heading home for the night so it was 319427 to Kings Cross Thameslink.
At this time GNER were regularly hiring in freight 90s to cover for a loco shortfall.
We were mightily impressed to see that our haulage home would be behind 90038. Apart from the novelty value, it was a winner. One of only four 90s that I needed. I was as pleased as punch.

Here it is, waiting for the off:
90038_1999.06.15_Kings Cross by philwood55013, on Flickr

By this time all-liners were about enjoying the haulages, winners were few and far between. This was my third of the week, following 37250 & 37040.
Some of my last few all-liners produced no winners at all.

Anyway, I digress. It was still fairly early in the day and so we decided to get to Wakefield via the 47 on 1V67 rather than the 90. This meant bailing at Doncaster and doing 91010 to York. I figured, correctly as it turned out, that I would get 90038 again one day so the 20 miles between Doncaster and Wakefield were not a big loss.

47851 was the loco on V67 and this was duly taken to Westgate.

Next morning we were up bright and early, I met my mate aboard 1V39, the 06.40 York – Bristol, which had 47826 at the helm.

47826 at Crewe Works open day in 2005:
47826_2005.09.09_1_Crewe by philwood55013, on Flickr

Rail-Gen had worked its magic again and we had received the news the North Wales Coast was playing host to something juicy and so we bailed off 47826 at Birmingham and did 47841 Northwards. The gen suggested that 37131 had worked to Holyhead and so we worked out a plan to meet it coming back. 47841 was on a Manchester service and so we could only do it as far as Stafford. Time was of the essence so we couldn’t hang around for a loco and ended up doing 43178/43092 to Bangor. 37131 produced as expected and a good run was enjoyed as far as Crewe.
Winner number 4 of the week was in the bag.

One of the things we planned to cover was the Bedford – Bletchley service. At the time, one diagram was being covered by top and tailed Fragonset 31s and this just had to be done, so it was 87018 from Crewe to Milton Keynes and 321435/321430 to Bletchley. We did a full round trip, 31452 working to Bedford and 31601 back. 31601 was another winner!
Five for the week, with two in one day. Not bad at all.

After 321407/321404 to Milton Keynes it was 87035 into Euston. We had a berth booked on the Edinburgh sleeper but had some time before it was due so it was a round trip to Milton Keynes using 87024 and 87009.

The move this time was an exact replica of one I’d done the previous September.
Shortly after midnight 90021 left the London terminus, handing the Edinburgh portion over to 90029 at Carstairs. 91002 was then taken to Glasgow Central, obviously via Carstairs.
156462/156495 were then taken to Fort William (156462 coming off at Crianlarich).
The spectacular scenery going some way towards easing the pain of such long unit mileage :o)

At Fort William we headed straight for a meal. We decided to play the tourist and both ordered “Traditional Scottish Haggis with Neeps and Tatties”.
“There’s nothing traditional about it” laughed our cheery waitress, but we went for it anyway.

37419 was the power for the sleeper and the journey to Edinburgh passed without incident.

This is a poor view of 37419 waiting to take us South:
37419_1999.06.17_Fort William by philwood55013, on Flickr

90021 returned us to London and it was over to Liverpool Street for some Anglia 86s. I still needed two of the fleet and so I had my fingers crossed.
I was also hoping that I wouldn’t be accused of being a ne’er do well this time.

As luck would have it, both my wishes came true.
86215 was taken out to Ipswich and my first winner of the day, 86257 was on hand to whisk us back South. We only did it as far as Colchester as the timetable was such that by doing Ipswich – Colchester and back you had a few minutes wait at each end and could get every loco that was working without too much hassle. We did a few round trips, involving 86215 (again), 86223 (twice), 86235 and 86238 before my final Anglia 86, 86230, appeared at Ipswich.
Seven winners for the week, an average of one a day. I was well pleased.
We did 86230 to Colchester as usual and then a late running 86246 as far as Manningtree. We bailed early as we expected 86257 was the next loco heading South and we fancied a bit more mileage, also we were heading home.


Sadly, there was no 90 sat at The Cross this time, so we took 91018 straight to York in order to meet 1V67. Tonight, this was worked by 47805 and I did it to Wakey, with my mate bailing at Leeds. 47805 was the last loco of the rover, but not of the week as we were out again the next morning.

Four of us were booked on Pathfinder’s “Spinning Spectre” and the plan was to pick it up at Birmingham. We set off, nice and early but we were travelling by car and so by the time the bloke who was driving had picked us all up we didn’t have a lot of recovery time. We had never had a problem previously and had always made tours with plenty of time to spare, but heavy traffic on the M1 slowly ate up the minutes and conversation died as we all started to nervously eye the clock.
Then, one of us had a brainwave. Luckily, this tour was booked to pick up at Nuneaton.
We all agreed that getting into Birmingham, finding somewhere to park and getting to the station before the train was due to depart was now impossible.
It was time for plan B. We came off the A42 and headed into Nuneaton. Now we had plenty of time and we all visibly relaxed.
On arrival at Nuneaton we found out that the train was running 25 minutes late.
We might have made it after all. Still, better to be safe than sorry.

It was a very enjoyable tour. 37516 and 37679 worked to Toton where 56098 and 58001, in multiple, took over. Then it was 66005 from Worksop to Doncaster, 47315 to Goole and 60025 to Sheffield where 37516 and 37679 took over again for the run back to Nuneaton.
One benefit of our early morning trauma was that Nuneaton is considerably easier to drive out of than Birmingham!

So that’s that, nine enjoyable days added to the memory banks.

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So there we go, hope that hit the spot for one or two folk.
 
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Ah, a most enjoyable read and just what I needed after a rubbish day at work!

Huge 37s had there, very nice indeed! Having Fragonset (just the name of Fragonset is a trip into nostalgia!) 31s on the Marston Vale sounds insane but also a great time!

As for that solo 153 on the Swansea to Penzance, ouch! When I was down that way (2005), it started in Milford Haven and, upon arrival into Newport, would couple up to a 158 that had come down from Manchester Piccadilly. Not that you can do that these days, the relevant crossover having gone a long time ago and I doubt it can be a signalled move these days either. I remember one day I was there and the 153 got to Newport a fair bit of time (20+ minutes, if not more) before the 158 so was sat at the west end of platform 3 for ages, everything else getting pathed around it. Ah yes, memories of the old Newport, seems like so long ago...

A 90 out of T'Cross is a bit rare for sure, must have been a fun experience that!

I'm trying to picture how that Rail-Gen thing worked, I can only imagine it was by text or using that really old method of getting online, can't remember what it was called now!

A beast of a rover by the looks of it all in! As for the solo move thing, aye I've had a lot of trips with other people and they've been top quality. These days I don't know many other bashers, everyone I used to know seems to have gone off the radar. One day I'll end up on a social bash again, although I can't think when that'll be!
 

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There were some very early trials of gen by text. One was an internal railway group that got the name 4 ones gen - because all texts came with the sender ID "1111". This was just an informal group set up by some controllers in South Eastern control and was simply a means of testing one of the first messaging systems that the railway adopted for sending texts and was sort of semi officially sanctioned by the management as it tested the durability of sending hundreds of texts in one hit in what was a brand new technology area then. I got a free state of the art mobile off of the company, but that was for monitoring the train info messages of course !!

I am guessing that by 1999 this was probably someone subscribed to one of the new SMS service providers like BT Genie or similar who started acting as message forwarding services. Someone will be along shortly to remind me of the exact company that did the forwarding, I suspect they finished in the early 2000s?

And I too used to enjoy 90s on the East Cast at this time, many a happy hour spent on the Double Bradford diagram with 47s dragging prior to the wires going up North of Leeds.
 
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I was out and about a couple of weeks earlier. What was planned to be a simple trip down to Romney to sample the delights of 15" gauge pacifics expanded somewhat when we came upon the aforementioned "bogie farce" - which as very part-time cranks we had no idea was happening.

The moves:
28/5/99
158764 Rochdale to Manchester Victoria
158821 Manchester Piccadilly to Crewe
(farce ascertained)
37250 Crewe to Chester
37517 Chester to Crewe
37216 Crewe to Chester
37429 Chester to Wolverhampton (via Birmingham/Bescot)
156412 Wolverhampton to Birmingham New Street
(run up stairs to see what platform our tightly timed connection was on - then run down same stairs...)
156412 Birmingham New Street to Hereford
37409 Hereford to Shrewsbury
(beer)
158852 Shrewsbury to Chester
(more beer and curry)

29/5/99
37250 Chester to Birmingham New Street
55002 Birmingham New Street to Coventry
43090/100 Coventry to Oxford
165113 Oxford to Paddington
Tube to Charing Cross
423xxx (might have been 3450) Charing Cross to Folkestone C
Bus to Hythe
Rhdr #2 Hythe to New Romney
(Check in at the Captain Howey)
Rhdr #1 New Romney to New Romney via Dungeness.

30/5/99
Rhdr #8 New Romney to Hythe
Rhdr #2 Hythe to Jefferstone Lane
Rhdr #5 Jefferstone Lane to Dymchurch
Rhdr #8 Dymchurch to New Romney
Rhdr #2 New Romney to Hythe
Bus to Folkestone
411593 Folkestone C to Charing Cross
Tube to Paddington
43135/141 Paddington to Reading
158750 Reading to Manchester Piccadilly (forgot the Pompey service used these)

Sorry to hijack yiur thread, but it did bring back memories.
 

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A 90 out of T'Cross is a bit rare for sure, must have been a fun experience that!

They actually worked quite regularly for a while, in fact 90024 was painted in GNER livery.
The first one I had into Leeds was 90022 on 27/11/93. Then none for several years. Between 1999 and 2003 I had 90022/024-030/032-034/036/040/142/221/238.
90238 was a later incarnation of 90038, of course.
Most of these were got on Day Rovers into/out of Leeds, but 90038 was not the only one that I enjoyed for a longer run on the ECML.

I'm trying to picture how that Rail-Gen thing worked, I can only imagine it was by text or using that really old method of getting online, can't remember what it was called now!

Yeah, it was a text messaging service.
I have mixed feelings about gen groups, on the one hand there's no doubt they are very useful and have helped me massively in scoring locos that I would otherwise have probably missed, but on the other there's nothing like the joy of the unexpected.
I remember when I was a young spotter and summer days were spent next to the Midland Mainline near Wakefield.
Nowadays, it's the single track Monk Bretton branch with one freight a week but back in 1980/81 it was four tracks and heaving with services, both freight and passenger.
A normal day could produce classes 08/20/25/31/37/40/45/46/47 and 56.
One day a group of us were down at our regular spotting point when we saw a train in the distance. the first thing we noticed was the locos livery, it was large logo.
"A 56", said one of the group.
"It's on a passenger"
"IT'S A 50!!"
50032 hammered past and we leapt about like demented gibbons, hugging each other and cheering.
Now, had we had advanced notice we would still have enjoyed it but we wouldn't have had the thrill that the surprise brought us.
So advanced gen has lots of advantages, but it does have a downside.
Purely my opinion, of course.
And as someone who has driven hundreds of miles across country to make a train that I have received advanced gen on, maybe a tad hypocritical.

I am guessing that by 1999 this was probably someone subscribed to one of the new SMS service providers like BT Genie or similar who started acting as message forwarding services. Someone will be along shortly to remind me of the exact company that did the forwarding, I suspect they finished in the early 2000s?

Aye, Genie sounds about right. 45135 is more clued up on these things than I, so he may come along and correct me. The free services didn't last long, that's for sure.
Thanks for the insight in how these early groups came about, very interesting.

The moves:
28/5/99
158764 Rochdale to Manchester Victoria
158821 Manchester Piccadilly to Crewe
(farce ascertained)
37250 Crewe to Chester
37517 Chester to Crewe
37216 Crewe to Chester
37429 Chester to Wolverhampton (via Birmingham/Bescot)
156412 Wolverhampton to Birmingham New Street
(run up stairs to see what platform our tightly timed connection was on - then run down same stairs...)
156412 Birmingham New Street to Hereford
37409 Hereford to Shrewsbury
(beer)
158852 Shrewsbury to Chester
(more beer and curry)

Hmmm, curry.
Anyway, that period produced a lot of good North Wales Coast moves. A look at my records shows that I was out the day before you.
On the 27/05/99 I did this:

37216 Chester - Llandudno Junction
37429 Llandudno Junction - Chester
37250 Chester - Prestatyn

which, if nothing else, proves that I was incorrect in my report when I said I scored 37250 on the 11th of June! So only six winners for me that week, not seven.

Sorry to hijack yiur thread, but it did bring back memories.

Don't be sorry! This is why I post these reports, to stimulate memories for those that were around and to show those that weren't what we old gits used to get up to :)
 
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The phone I had (my first mobile) was one of these, on BT Cellnet:
phil-diga.jpg

Emails were delivered via SMS-email gateways and were initially free but soon became paid for, I think it was BT Genie as mentioned above for receiving messages and a Scandinavian gateway whose name escapes me for sending.

The message scrolled across the screen - imagine the suspense of reading "1158... Birmingham... Holyhead... is..." :D - and if you missed it the first time round you had to wait for the whole message to finish scrolling before you could re-read it.

Luckily I was at uni at the time so one or two lectures may have been missed as I was in my car heading along the M62 chasing some exotic traction instead.
 

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Funky, thank Goodness technology moved on quite a bit since then! I do remember those phones like the one 45135 linked to, can't believe how modern it all seemed at the time! :lol:

Fair point on gen groups, I haven't used them in a long time myself. It does spoil the surprise, agreed, but then if you're down to your last one of a large class (for example) it has the potential to make a trip happen, generating more income for the railway, rather than staying at home deciding it would be better to stay at home and not waste money on a trip and potentially get nothing out of it!

Not that I tended to ask much on gen groups for stuff anyway, although I'm sure some of you will remember my asking not that long ago really about 150235. To be fair, I did make the effort a few times without requiring gen, hence how I can state the previous paragraph about trips.
 

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Fair point on gen groups, I haven't used them in a long time myself. It does spoil the surprise, agreed, but then if you're down to your last one of a large class (for example) it has the potential to make a trip happen, generating more income for the railway, rather than staying at home deciding it would be better to stay at home and not waste money on a trip and potentially get nothing out of it!

Oh yeah, I've nothing against gen groups and think that using them to chase down your last one or two locos or units is fair enough.
I've used them to my advantage on many occasions - as you'll see in my next trip report (The biggest working of any all-liner I did! I'm keeping schtum for now, don't want to spoil it :) )
I guess I'm just nostalgic for the days when there were loads of different loco types and you never knew what might show up.
 
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Ooh, I'm rather looking forward to seeing that then! :D

I do understand that, I miss some of the older days I did. Not knowing what I was going to get on my trips around the Midlands, or indeed on the trips in the Central Belt at the time. I just wish I recorded my journeys and properly back then!
 

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For a few years from the late 90s the convergence of blossoming gen groups, email on mobile phones and problems with the regular traction on Virgin Trains and First North Western (among others) meant an Indian Summer of chasing locos after some samey years during privatisation.

55013, if your big working is the one I think it was, I had a long lunch break that day... :D
 

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I must say that I am really enjoying reading these reports, 55013. The nineties, particularly later on in the decade, were very much my “era”, so I can really appreciate the tales that you are regaling us with.

The North East of England where I grew up at the time was a bit of a desert in terms of loco haulage however (even the ubiquitous Crosscountry class 47 workings were fairly few and far between north of York), so it is quite surprising to note the sheer variety of loco haulage that was still to be gleaned around the country at the time: I do sometimes wish that I had only been able to move to Birmingham ten years earlier, so that I could have taken full advantage of the North Wales coast workings!

I am particularly fond of the 37/4s, and thought they looked particularly pleasing in Regional Railways livery, which sadly wasn’t a regular feature on the locos used on the Fort William sleeper where I saw them most often. Speaking of which, I wouldn’t be too concerned about the possible poor quality of your photo of 37419 at Fort William – I was using only a cheap compact camera (and my photographic technique was definitely still at the novice level!) at the time, so that shot reminds me of my own at that time (see the couple of images attached)!

It’s interesting to note that you had 37419 on the sleeper that time round: I never saw 37419 on the West Highland line, though I was knocking around the Fort William area at very much the same time as you were up there in June 1999! It was 37424 and 37405 that I saw on the sleeper that month (37424 on June 10th, apparently), so it would be interesting to see how the exact dates compare. There was a real variety of 37/4s to be found on the West Highland around this time.
 

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They actually worked quite regularly for a while, in fact 90024 was painted in GNER livery.
And as I recall, then proceeded to spend more time on hire to Virgin working on the west coast than ever it did working GNER services. :lol: Was rostered for the regular mail train work that the 90s did more often than anything in my experience – A bit later on in its career it could often be found on the TPO set that stabled against “the wall” at Carlisle during the day.
 

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I must say that I am really enjoying reading these reports, 55013. The nineties, particularly later on in the decade, were very much my “era”, so I can really appreciate the tales that you are regaling us with.

Thanks, it really makes it worthwhile when I know people are enjoying them.


It’s interesting to note that you had 37419 on the sleeper that time round: I never saw 37419 on the West Highland line, though I was knocking around the Fort William area at very much the same time as you were up there in June 1999! It was 37424 and 37405 that I saw on the sleeper that month (37424 on June 10th, apparently), so it would be interesting to see how the exact dates compare. There was a real variety of 37/4s to be found on the West Highland around this time.

It was exactly one week after you saw 37424, the 17th. It does seem as though they didn't stick to the diagram for weeks on end like the 67s do nowadays.


About 90024
And as I recall, then proceeded to spend more time on hire to Virgin working on the west coast than ever it did working GNER services. :lol: Was rostered for the regular mail train work that the 90s did more often than anything in my experience – A bit later on in its career it could often be found on the TPO set that stabled against “the wall” at Carlisle during the day.

Yeah, I remember it being more common around Leeds before it was re-painted!
It was a running joke at the time that if we went out for the 90, you could pretty much guarantee it wouldn't be 90024.
 

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Tonights trip between Bletchley and Bedford will be either a 153 or a 150! ;) Shame i missed the 31 coverage but i was firmly up north when thye served my little station!

A good read again!
 

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About 90024

Yeah, I remember it being more common around Leeds before it was re-painted!
It was a running joke at the time that if we went out for the 90, you could pretty much guarantee it wouldn't be 90024.
There were rumours that mischievous forces within 'Control' made sure it never went near a GNER rake. :D
 
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