Class 387

[cactustwirly]

Maybe. Word is that due to the changes in the GW work flow is that the 387/1 fleet won't quite be need in large numbers as the wires for the 387 have been put on the back burner and is the IEP routes are getting priority. Have heard the idea the 387/1 to into storage muted, tho this is very silly IMHO.

Well, they will be required next spring for Paddington - Hayes services, which are already wired.

Anyway they are intended to work on the same routes as IEPs (Paddington-Reading-Oxford/Newbury)

It's the 365s that will be working the Branch lines.

 

[Class377/5]

So, if there is to be any change to the cascade plans, I'm assuming that the Class 377/2, 377/5 or 319 fleets will be relieved from Thameslink first rather than the 387/1, when Class 700 units come on stream. Guessing it will depend on which lines are ready to receive the cascaded units.

There had been no change to the cascade plan form Govia, always interned to get rid of the 387s eariler with the 377s and 319s going later. Currently the 319s are only units Thameslink can use on the Wimbledon Loop and 377s are only permitted on the Sevenoaks route in four car formation. The 8 car 700 fleet will arrival en mass befire the bulk of the 12 cars will.

With gat ex getting 387's I wonder if they will borrow a couple of /1's from thameslink to train drivers and maintenance before the arrival of the /2's. So there should be a quick entry into service.

The maintenence teams are already trained as Southern do all the maintenance on the 387s now. As for training drivers, well they already have that. Some Southern driver managers already drive 387s.

Might retention of 387/1s for longer than expected hasten the demise of the 442s on their peak London Bridge diagrams?

No it won't. Due to the set up currently they have to store rather than keep them. Seems silly.

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That's my point so I agree. 387s will be used on the Reading, Oxford and Newbury routes to exploit the 110mph capability and maximise capacity on the mainlines. All these routes will be wired for Class 80x so I don't know what routes "wires for the 387s" refers to. As I said earlier Henley, Windsor, and Basingstoke are the last scheduled to get EMUs and at least Henley will be operated by 365s, and I expect Windsor and Basingstoke will be to. So I'm really struggling to understand the rumour posted by Class 377/5.

I'm only reposting what's been said. It's more helpful to know there's fears the wires won't be ready for the arrival of the IEPs either.

 

[John1975]

Currently the 319s are only units Thameslink can use on the Wimbledon Loop

Not disputing what you're saying, but the CWN shows 1O09 05.48 Bedford-Sutton running as 8/377, and 2V29 18.36 Bedford-Sutton running as 4/377.

Is this just a typo? Certainly when I went to catch 1O09 a couple of weeks ago it turned up with 8/319.

 

[MCR247]

I think it was something like 377s used to go round the loop, but were then banned for reason x. Reason x was then sorted out, 377s were booked for it again (like above) but were then banned again for reason y? Apologies if this is inaccurate, it is rather confusing

 

[Class377/5]

Not disputing what you're saying, but the CWN shows 1O09 05.48 Bedford-Sutton running as 8/377, and 2V29 18.36 Bedford-Sutton running as 4/377.

Is this just a typo? Certainly when I went to catch 1O09 a couple of weeks ago it turned up with 8/319.

Tyne base CWN is a guide. Currently the the Loop 377 diagams are being filed with 319s for the Loop part.

I think it was something like 377s used to go round the loop, but were then banned for reason x. Reason x was then sorted out, 377s were booked for it again (like above) but were then banned again for reason y? Apologies if this is inaccurate, it is rather confusing

There now only one thing stopping them but it's a biggie. They did run for a week but we're taken off. More likely see a 700 around the loop than an 8 car 377s.

 

[MCR247]

There now only one thing stopping them but it's a biggie. They did run for a week but we're taken off. More likely see a 700 around the loop than an 8 car 377s.

But the current problem is different from the original problem?

 

[LBSCR Times]

There should have been a test trip, with an 8.377 around the Loop today, not sure what the outcome was though.

 

[John1975]

Tyne base CWN is a guide.

For sure, but this week and next weeks CWN also show those diagrams as 377. I guess your planners probably aren't aware.

 

[Class377/5]

But the current problem is different from the original problem?

There's been multiple.

There should have been a test trip, with an 8.377 around the Loop today, not sure what the outcome was though.

Properly checking the last remaining issue.

For sure, but this week and next weeks CWN also show those diagrams as 377. I guess your planners probably aren't aware.

Actually your wrong. They are. Don't confuse the CWN with what's actually happening. The planets and Ops staff don't work off the CWN but ACWN issued week changed a daily basis where.

 

[John1975]

The planets and Ops staff don't work off the CWN but ACWN issued week changed a daily basis where.

Yeah, that's what I'm reading from; the week 14 and week 15 ACWN.

I only referred to it as the CWN as that is what the planners call it on the cover and in the email title.

Or is there a third document?

 

[Class377/5]

Yeah, that's what I'm reading from; the week 14 and week 15 ACWN.

I only referred to it as the CWN as that is what the planners call it on the cover and in the email title.

Or is there a third document?

Ah you mean TP not (fleet) planners.

There multiple documents but alterations between 319 and 377s is done between control, fleet and train crew is is an ad hoc change. If your not one of those parties you won't get the changes for the three diagrams.

 

[John1975]

Cheers, it sounds similar to the way we currently work at Southern/Southeastern. I start working at Three Bridges ROC on Monday, so before long I'm sure I'll find out about all the different working practices on Thameslink.

 

[Class377/5]

Cheers, it sounds similar to the way we currently work at Southern/Southeastern. I start working at Three Bridges ROC on Monday, so before long I'm sure I'll find out about all the different working practices on Thameslink.

See you there then.

 

[John1975]

Indeed, I'll get the first round.

 

[Metobusfan]

There had been no change to the cascade plan form Govia, always interned to get rid of the 387s eariler with the 377s and 319s going later. Currently the 319s are only units Thameslink can use on the Wimbledon Loop and 377s are only permitted on the Sevenoaks route in for car formation. The 8 car 700 fleet will arrival en mass befire the bulk of the 12 cars will.









The maintenence teams are already trained as Southern do all the maintenance on the 387s now. As for training drivers, well they already have that. Some Southern driver managers already drive 387s.







No it won't. Due to the set up currently they have to store rather than keep them. Seems silly.







I'm only reposting what's been said. It's more helpful to know there's fears the wires won't be ready for the arrival of the IEPs either.

377 only allowed on the Sevenoaks in 4 car unit.

Driver managers are normally the 1st to sign a unit.

 

[notadriver]

Why are 377s restricted to 4 car to Sevenoaks? Bit weird.

 

[Class377/5]

377 only allowed on the Sevenoaks in 4 car unit.

Driver managers are normally the 1st to sign a unit.

Did you miss where I posted this?

Why are 377s restricted to 4 car to Sevenoaks? Bit weird.

Various issues at a few stations.

 

[Minstral25]

Just received a bulletin from Thameslink about the Southern and Gatwick Express merger. It implies the new stock for Gatwick Express won't be introduced until 2016 (which is contrary to what I have heard on here).

If they are changing the Brighton Main line Timetable in December with through GatEx to Brighton, will this mean 442's substituting until the new units are ready/introduced? Or is it just a marketing error.

 

[physics34]

Just received a bulletin from Thameslink about the Southern and Gatwick Express merger. It implies the new stock for Gatwick Express won't be introduced until 2016 (which is contrary to what I have heard on here).

If they are changing the Brighton Main line Timetable in December with through GatEx to Brighton, will this mean 442's substituting until the new units are ready/introduced? Or is it just a marketing error.

18 of the 24 x 442s go off lease in April 2016 (I think) so this seems likely. I'm sure the 1stGatwick 387 is due in service before the end of the year!

 

[samj]

387101/387102 working together on the 11:14 Three Bridges-Bedford

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Not disputing what you're saying, but the CWN shows 1O09 05.48 Bedford-Sutton running as 8/377, and 2V29 18.36 Bedford-Sutton running as 4/377.

Is this just a typo? Certainly when I went to catch 1O09 a couple of weeks ago it turned up with 8/319.

1O09 and 1O10 have been 8*377 this week so perhaps *the* issue has at last been overcome. For the record we had 377209/518 yesterday and 377505/522 today.

 

[westcoaster]

1O09 and 1O10 have been 8*377 this week so perhaps *the* issue has at last been overcome. For the record we had 377209/518 yesterday and 377505/522 today.

Cleared for service since Monday, 4 cars can go both ways but 8 cars can only go around clockwise, I.e via mitcham/sutton/Wimbledon/tooting.

 

[RichJF]

387101/387102 working together on the 11:14 Three Bridges-Bedford

387101/102 working together on the 06:22 Brighton - Bedford this morning. Spotted at Redhill.

 

[Class377/5]

Just received a bulletin from Thameslink about the Southern and Gatwick Express merger. It implies the new stock for Gatwick Express won't be introduced until 2016 (which is contrary to what I have heard on here).

If they are changing the Brighton Main line Timetable in December with through GatEx to Brighton, will this mean 442's substituting until the new units are ready/introduced? Or is it just a marketing error.

387/2 Should be seen this year with 442s on the Brighton GatExs I hear. At least initially.

 

[4-COR 3142]

387101/102 working together on the 06:22 Brighton - Bedford this morning. Spotted at Redhill.

Thanks for the tip off Rich, finally managed to catch the pair of them tonight when they worked 18:43 London Bridge to Brighton and the 19:56 return to Bedford.

Nice to 'clear' them about a fortnight before the first of their replacements arrive!

 

[RichJF]

Thanks for the tip off Rich, finally managed to catch the pair of them tonight when they worked 18:43 London Bridge to Brighton and the 19:56 return to Bedford.

Nice to 'clear' them about a fortnight before the first of their replacements arrive!

No worries. This is the train before mine, so I'll shout if they turn up again on this service!

 

[387star]

Sorry if this is old news:

New air-conditioned trains enter service on Thameslink

Date: 13 Jul 2015



Rail passengers can now expect to travel on modern, air conditioned trains as Thameslink accepted the last of its Class 387 trains into service.

The final two Class 387/1 trains have entered service between Bedford and Brighton, marking the completion of the 29 new, modern trains arriving on the Thameslink route. The first trains entered service in December 2014 and replace 27-year-old Class 319 trains on the network. The majority of services that passengers now journey on are modern, air conditioned Class 387 or Class 377 trains.

Stuart Cheshire, Passenger Service Director for Thameslink said:

“I’m thrilled that Thameslink passengers can enjoy one of the newest fleet of trains in the country, soon to be followed by the arrival of the Class 700s in spring next year.

“The air conditioning makes a big difference to our passengers’ comfort, particularly during the hot weather we are experiencing at the moment.”

The Bombardier-built Thameslink Class 387/1 fleet boast:

• two-by-two seating,

• air-conditioning,

• the latest automated on-board service information

• and excellent facilities for people with disabilities.



Since their introduction last year the fleet has run over 1.7m miles in passenger service, with the highest mileage unit already reaching 100,000 miles.

ends

Notes to editor

Class 387/1

The Class 387 trains are the latest version of Bombardier Transportation’s Electrostar. The 387/1s have been rolled out on Bedford to Brighton services and since May virtually every train on this service group is an Electrostar. They will remain in service into 2016 when, from the spring, an even newer fleet of next-generation Class 700 trains will be steadily introduced as part of the government-sponsored Thameslink Programme, with more carriages for many longer services and, from 2018, more frequent services on parts of the route.The 387/1 fleet is the first Electrostar unit to be certified to operate at 110mph and is the first unit operated by GTR to have the Mk4 TPWS control system fitted.

Govia Thameslink Railway

Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR) began running Thameslink (Bedford to Brighton, Sutton and Wimbledon) and Great Northern (London to Peterborough, Cambridge and King’s Lynn) rail services on 14 September 2014. A small number of services and stations previously operated by Southeastern transferred to GTR in December 2014 and in July 2015 the Southern and Gatwick Express routes will be incorporated into the franchise. GTR will then be the largest rail franchise in the UK in terms of passenger numbers, trains, revenue and staff: GTR will carry about 273 million passenger journeys per year, employ around 6,500 people and generate annual passenger revenues of approximately £1.3bn. www.gtrailway.com www.thameslinkrailway.com

 

[TimG]

the seats make my bum ache... Seriously considering some sort of inflatable pillow!

 

[al.currie93]

And yet I find their interiors so stuffy and uncomfortable (especially the seats!) that they and the 377/6 and 377/7 are the only trains I actively avoid travelling on :P

 

[JaJaWa]

And yet I find their interiors so stuffy and uncomfortable (especially the seats!) that they and the 377/6 and 377/7 are the only trains I actively avoid travelling on :P

Stuffy? A 319 is stuffy!