Tyne & Wear Metro: Fleet Refurbishment List

[Scott M]

Due to the engineering work at Regent Centre, there has been a change to the overhead wires.

TSRs are normally in place when there is a track defect, where track has just been replaced (like at Jesmond and over the QE bridge), or a problem with the overhead wires (Kingston Park to Fawdon for a while).
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4001 and 4002 will be out today coupled together.

Cheers.

Sad news last night about that young lad being decapitated by a metro.

 

[142094]

The cabs are different at each end? Are the units cuupled a specific way round to take that into account?

A-ends should normally lead, and the vast majority of the fleet will have sets where there are A-ends at the outer ends.

Main reason why B-ends sometimes are leading is if there is a fault with some of the equipment in the A-end, and that equipment will not be used but the train can still run with a B-end leading.

 

[Tramfan]

4067 should be out on a peak extra working this morning with 4047

 

[MetroCar4058]

They've launched online Pop! Unfortunately I'm away so I can't register my card (before the system gets took down for not being fit lol)

 

[ModernRailways]

Noticed tonight there that they are doing new announcements giving service updates. I really quite like it, it just depends how good they are and how quick they are at changing them.

I also nabbed 4040 and 4002 home. Made a nice change from the usual refurbs if it wasn't for the horrid stench of urine - but then most unrefurbs had that smell.

 

[Paul_10]

Noticed tonight there that they are doing new announcements giving service updates. I really quite like it, it just depends how good they are and how quick they are at changing them.

I also nabbed 4040 and 4002 home. Made a nice change from the usual refurbs if it wasn't for the horrid stench of urine - but then most unrefurbs had that smell.

Never noticed the smell personally but after being on 4002 yesterday, I do wish these unrefurbished units would get some sort of a refresh at least but at least one prototype is still out on the system often!

Also couple of things to note from yesterday, 4001 is now uncoupled from 4083 and must be in the depot somewhere, hopefully it will be a sign it will get coupled to either 4002 or 4040 in the near future.

I also don't know if its my eyes, but it looks like there is some sort of barrier infront of the A end of 4083, it does look like there is no rush at all to fix this unit but it will be interesting if we will ever see it in service. From what I remember of being on 4083, it was quite quiet and sounded mechanically quite sound.

Also to note the probably not deliberate but worthy of note pairing of 4041 + 4027, with of course the first refurbished car and the final refurbished car being paired together.

 

[Scott M]

Noticed tonight there that they are doing new announcements giving service updates. I really quite like it, it just depends how good they are and how quick they are at changing them.

I also nabbed 4040 and 4002 home. Made a nice change from the usual refurbs if it wasn't for the horrid stench of urine - but then most unrefurbs had that smell.

Maybe they read these forums, and decided that you had a point regarding people having a negative view due to them only updating people when things are going wrong.

And so have now decided to update people when things are going well too.

We might be being watched...

 

[ModernRailways]

Maybe they read these forums, and decided that you had a point regarding people having a negative view due to them only updating people when things are going wrong.

And so have now decided to update people when things are going well too.

We might be being watched...

We all have dreams! London Underground give Service Status so it's nice to see Metro also doing it! I do hope though it's not just going to be the same thing and never really update :/



On another note, Service 127 just left Jarrow 5 minutes early for no reason. The train to Newcastle was on time, and arrived at 10:53. Why it got given the signal and why it left so early is beyond a joke. The biggest problem I have with it though is that DB will get a fine from Nexus and that train will also count negatively to the 'on time' statistics when it could have easily been on time by leaving on time, instead of early. There really is no excuse for early running.

 

[142094]

Jarrow isn't a timing point so there will not be a fine for DB. Most likely reason is that if it had waited for the train coming in the opposite direction, then both trains would have been late at the associated timing points further on, so this means only one train will be counted as being late.

Also note that the time shown on the platform displays can be very different to the 'actual' time used to monitor running times.

 

[tjohnson86]

4067 should be out on a peak extra working this morning with 4047

Did 4067 only last a few days in service again? 4047 is now paired with 4019 and haven't seen 67 paired with any other unit recently. Also is 4077 in regular service now? This is the only refurbished unit I haven't seen on the system now.

Also just to note, 4081 still had the female announcements when I was on it the other day, so it looks like there are still a couple of units on the system that don't have the male announcer yet.

 

[Tramfan]

Did 4067 only last a few days in service again? 4047 is now paired with 4019 and haven't seen 67 paired with any other unit recently. Also is 4077 in regular service now? This is the only refurbished unit I haven't seen on the system now.

Also just to note, 4081 still had the female announcements when I was on it the other day, so it looks like there are still a couple of units on the system that don't have the male announcer yet.

Funnily enough 4067 has been paired with 4081 on peak extras this afternoon.

Still not seen 4077 in service, in fact I haven't even seen it at the depot. Even when 4067 was out of service I saw it fairly regularly moving between the different roads

 

[MetroCar4058]

Don't mention the units with the female PA lol - we want to make it hard for them to fully get rid of her!

 

[lgb2100]

Has carriages 4040
and 4083 beeb refurbished. Looks old and filfthy. If yes, when ?

 

[HugePilchard]

Has carriages 4040
and 4083 beeb refurbished. Looks old and filfthy. If yes, when ?

It's my understanding that 4001, 4002, 4040 and 4083 won't be refurbished.

Nexus were trumpeting the early completion of the refurbishment programme this week, so there'll be no more done.

 

[Tommy1581]

It's my understanding that 4001, 4002, 4040 and 4083 won't be refurbished.

Nexus were trumpeting the early completion of the refurbishment programme this week, so there'll be no more done.

Yes, 4001/2/40/83 won't be refurbished. Speaking of the completion I went past the photo shoot on a passing metro yesterday.

 

[MetroCar4058]

Passing the depot today I noticed a shiny but of new equipment outside of Nexus Rail. It had a tank type thing on the end - could this possibly be a small rail head treatment for the autumn?

 

[142094]

Passing the depot today I noticed a shiny but of new equipment outside of Nexus Rail. It had a tank type thing on the end - could this possibly be a small rail head treatment for the autumn?

Certainly is, was brought into use at the back end of last year. It only works on certain sections of line and doesn't go onto the Sunderland extension.

 

[MetroCar4058]

Certainly is, was brought into use at the back end of last year. It only works on certain sections of line and doesn't go onto the Sunderland extension.

Oooo - When you say certain sections is it only the Sunderland line that it doesn't cover or does it not go to places like South Shields?

 

[142094]

Oooo - When you say certain sections is it only the Sunderland line that it doesn't cover or does it not go to places like South Shields?

Last autumn, when it was first used, I believe it mainly did trips around the Coast between Chillingham Rd and Longbenton.

Can't say for sure but I don't think it has been used on the Airport line, and the battery locos and wagons are not cleared for running on Network Rail.

 

[MetroCar4058]

Last autumn, when it was first used, I believe it mainly did trips around the Coast between Chillingham Rd and Longbenton.

Can't say for sure but I don't think it has been used on the Airport line, and the battery locos and wagons are not cleared for running on Network Rail.

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Ah hopefully it does all of the Nexus rail stuff this year - where does that leave the old Tamper? Regarding the battery locos, even if they were certified, its not really Nexus' job to clean up NRs rail.
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I've noticed lots of units have been out on the system with the B end leadind; does anyone know why this is?

 

[142094]

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Ah hopefully it does all of the Nexus rail stuff this year - where does that leave the old Tamper? Regarding the battery locos, even if they were certified, its not really Nexus' job to clean up NRs rail.

Quite true, although a while back Nexus Rail were trying to position themselves to win outside contracts (or there was talks about it) such as maintaining the Sunderland line between Park Lane and South Hylton under contract from Network Rail. The battery locos were at one point being registered in order to run onto Network Rail, but this most probably was to in case of failures needing rescued compared to anything else.

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I've noticed lots of units have been out on the system with the B end leadind; does anyone know why this is?[/QUOTE]

Normally means something isn't working in the A end, and easier to remarshall the set rather than keeping at the depot to fix it.

 

[142094]

Bit of an update - don't expect to see 4001 or 4083 out and about anytime soon. 4083 is still waiting for a traction motor change and parts have been taken off 4001 to use elsewhere.

4077 is still sitting at the depot and hasn't moved much since it came back from Wabtec. It apparently has a wiring problem and is not top of the to do list.

 

[MetroCar4058]

Hmm does that mean that 4001 has had her last dance? I've noticed some of the older, unpainted windows featuring on some of the new units.

Also are they adding another set of points between Regent Centre and Wansbeck Road? There's like yellow markers been set out in a point like fashion.

I really wish Nexus would put a dispatcher on the platforms at Pelaw, Monkseaton and Regent Centre at peak. Today it took us 30 minutes from Bank Foot into town and the poor Airport train was holding short of the depot for a good 4 minutes as we cleared the signal before the terminator could shunt - if they had a dispatcher the train would be able to shunt out in about a minute and not interfere with any of the services. This is something they really should rectify - its no good for punctuality when the network is backed up to South Gosforth due to the inadequate signalling near the depot and planning!

I feel as if I am moaning for moans sake but I've encountered another issue with Pop! The smartcards don't work on the Q buses even though they are valid for use; because of this I had no evidence to prove I had an A zone ticket - I even asked a lady in the travel shop and she said Pop works on the GNE readers. Luckily the driver was lenient.

 

[ModernRailways]

New set of points, yeah. All going to plan they should be installed this weekend.

A dispatcher would definitely be useful, and they occasionally do get the CSAs to essentially do that at Pelaw. It needs to happen all the time though or like you say it can cause havoc. We were outside Pelaw for 5 minutes one day, and from what I could tell it was literally because someone hadn't got off the train.

 

[Paul_10]

Bit of an update - don't expect to see 4001 or 4083 out and about anytime soon. 4083 is still waiting for a traction motor change and parts have been taken off 4001 to use elsewhere.

4077 is still sitting at the depot and hasn't moved much since it came back from Wabtec. It apparently has a wiring problem and is not top of the to do list.

As I'm not in the region anymore(although be visiting on a monthly basis) then this update has been useful. Are 4001/83 still next to each other or have they been paired again as the last time I seen, 4001 was just outside the sheds whilst 4083 was slightly inside the depot.

Hopefully both units will still have a future on the system in particular 4001.

Is 4067 now out and about on the system and properly working again?

 

[MetroCar4058]

4001 has disappeared form the siding it and 83 shared but I'm not too sure where she's gone.

Why are they adding another set of points there? Seems a very unusual place to have points due to the proximity to the Regent sidings points.

 

[Frankfurt]

4001 has disappeared form the siding it and 83 shared but I'm not too sure where she's gone.

Why are they adding another set of points there? Seems a very unusual place to have points due to the proximity to the Regent sidings points.

As you say it would be pointless (no pun intended) due to the points and siding at Regent Centre. The mentioned ones between RGC and Wansbeck Road are temporary and for works vehicles only which have been in operation up there during recent possessions.

 

[142094]

4083 was shunted inside earlier on this week to free up space, it is currently on a road which is normally spare or kept to hold a flat bed wagon.

4001 is now inside the depot, possibly for work to be done on it. I wouldn't have thought it will not return to service, as having spare sets makes it easier to plan maintenance on other cars.
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Is 4067 now out and about on the system and properly working again?

It has possibly been out this week, but it isn't a normally look out for so can't be 100%.

 

[MetroCar4058]

http://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/files/Zone Map TVM Map_2.pdf

Looks like Nexus are removing The Coast from the metro maps. Really when they changed the PA to trains for Whitley Bay they should have also done the same with the displays - a poor tourist will be waiting a long time for a train to Whitley Bay! Hopefully they'll keep the nice lady on the station announcements.
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I've seen some of photos of back in the day, and when the units were in the PTA scheme they had allot more openable windows - was there any reason why they removed allot of them?

 

[142094]

During the half life refurbishment the cabs were extended further back into the seating area. As a result the passenger window directly behind the cab was shortened and the hopper window removed.