Jeremy Corbyn & Tom Watson elected leader and deputy leader of the Labour Party

[fowler9]

Come on guys, I don't want to be found guilty of having dragged this off topic. Corbyn has had it aimed at him that he will spend loads of public money. That is what governments do. I believe it has been said he won't reduce the debt, well no one else does and banks pretty much exist because of it, why should he.
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Presumably most of Jezza's fans want to retain i-phones and Waitrose. He is going to need some really progressive ideas to carry this off in a Socialist Utopia. Perhaps this is one that he could use.



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What is this Socialist Utopia rubbish. He is a bit left wing, not Josef Stalin.
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I can't believe the entire country has gone potty because someone who is actually left wing is in charge of the left wing Labour party. We have got that used to the two main parties being neo liberal that the thought of a left winger makes people think the aim is to turn the UK in to Soviet Russia. If people don't want socialist policies then the majority will vote Tory. Where are Apple products made by the way? Communist China.

 

[yorksrob]

I can't believe the entire country has gone potty because someone who is actually left wing is in charge of the left wing Labour party. We have got that used to the two main parties being neo liberal that the thought of a left winger makes people think the aim is to turn the UK in to Soviet Russia. If people don't want socialist policies then the majority will vote Tory. Where are Apple products made by the way? Communist China.

Well said.

 

[backontrack]

Well said. The media scaremongering is just too far out of hand.

 

[Glenmutchkin]

He is a bit left wing, not Josef Stalin.

Thanks for the update. He's just lost my vote.

 

[asylumxl]

I do love the irony that some who could be considered "dinosaurs" themselves are criticising Jeremy Corbyn's age.

I don't know if Corbyn will win an election or even be the leader at that point, but the simple fact is he has amassed a massive amount of support, particularly from younger individuals. This reflects a shift among younger voters away from the status quo, as they are sick of career politicians and the status quo.

I'm not surprised they don't want the older generations to shape the future. After all, they'll be rotting in the ground while the youth of today pay the price for their decisions.

 

[Glenmutchkin]

I'm not surprised they don't want the older generations to shape the future. After all, they'll be rotting in the ground while the youth of today pay the price for their decisions.

Is this a pitch to deprive older people of a vote? If so where would you draw the line?

 

[fowler9]

Is this a pitch to deprive older people of a vote? If so where would you draw the line?

Put words in to someones mouth and then ask them to comment on it. Good tactic. Corbyn being elected as Labour leader was the most decisive victory I have seen in an election for some time.

 

[AM9]

Is this a pitch to deprive older people of a vote? If so where would you draw the line?

Looks like a celebration of the realisation by many young voters that they can use their vote just like everybody else. All we want is for them to remember this m,oment and use it at a General Election.
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Put words in to someones mouth and then ask them to comment on it. Good tactic. Corbyn being elected as Labour leader was the most decisive victory I have seen in an election for some time.

Well, since the General Election when the SNP won all but three of the seats in the far north. It would seem that the young voter played a part in that as well.

 

[Glenmutchkin]

Corbyn being elected as Labour leader was the most decisive victory I have seen in an election for some time.

I'm sure that they get bigger majorities in Venezuela and North Korea. Obviously Jezza had only limited control of the voting system this time but give him time.

 

[AM9]

Where are Apple products made by the way? Communist China.

And the John Lewis Partnership is a worker's co-operative by any other description and certainly one of the least cynical major UK commercial organisations.

 

[yorksrob]

I'm sure that they get bigger majorities in Venezuela and North Korea. Obviously Jezza had only limited control of the voting system this time but give him time.

He'd have to be particularly devious to come up with a system as absurd and disenfranchising as first past the post !

 

[backontrack]

He'd have to be particularly devious to come up with a system as absurd and disenfranchising as first past the post !

I don't know, whoever came up with the £3 vote policy was pretty stupid...

 

[Glenmutchkin]

Looks like a celebration of the realisation by many young voters that they can use their vote just like everybody else. All we want is for them to remember this m,oment and use it at a General Election.
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Engaging the young in politics has been a problem for decades. Every now and then somebody like Nick Clegg almost succeeds until the day of squaring the promises with reality arrives.

 

[yorksrob]

I don't know, whoever came up with the £3 vote policy was pretty stupid...

That was an unusual one - but not exactly a textbook example of Machiavellian control !

 

[fowler9]

Engaging the young in politics has been a problem for decades. Every now and then somebody like Nick Clegg almost succeeds until the day of squaring the promises with reality arrives.

Well lets just see what happens.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Its the old adage - when you owe a £1000 the lender has the upper hand - when you owe £1trillion then the lendee has the upper hand

That did not seem the case in the infamous case in 1976 when Britain under a Labour Government had to go cap-in-hand to the International Monetary Fund. Did they not set Britain certain economic conditions as part of the loan agreement?

 

[TheKnightWho]

Engaging the young in politics has been a problem for decades. Every now and then somebody like Nick Clegg almost succeeds until the day of squaring the promises with reality arrives.

Considering he got 49% of old members' votes it wouldn't have mattered.

 

[Glenmutchkin]

Considering he got 49% of old members' votes it wouldn't have mattered.

Sorry. I don't understand what you are saying here.

 

[asylumxl]

Considering he got 49% of old members' votes it wouldn't have mattered.

Being an old member doesn't necessarily mean you are physically old...

 

[TheKnightWho]

Being an old member doesn't necessarily mean you are physically old...

Of course not. My point was that he wasn't simply galvanising young people that tend not to vote.

 

[Glenmutchkin]

Of course the last Labour politician who really got the young enthused was a chap called Blair. Must have been nearly 20 years ago.

 

[Butts]

That did not seem the case in the infamous case in 1976 when Britain under a Labour Government had to go cap-in-hand to the International Monetary Fund. Did they not set Britain certain economic conditions as part of the loan agreement?

Ah, good old Denis Healey I remember him well - I believe he's still alive, wonder what he thinks of Corbyns victory !!!

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

Ah, good old Denis Healey I remember him well - I believe he's still alive, wonder what he thinks of Corbyns victory !!!

He's probably too busy preparing for the next meeting of the Bilderberg group, so it doesn't matter what he thinks.

 

[deltic]

That did not seem the case in the infamous case in 1976 when Britain under a Labour Government had to go cap-in-hand to the International Monetary Fund. Did they not set Britain certain economic conditions as part of the loan agreement?

the loan was principally to support Sterling rather than bail out Government debt - it was an age when people were obsessed about maintaining the currency's value - the full loan was never called upon.

 

[Metrailway]

Chuka Ummuna has resigned his shadow cabinet post citing policy differences and specifically mentions Europe. Ummuna is a strong pro-EU supporter.

I cannot envisage any circumstances where I would be campaigning alongside those who would argue for us to leave – Jeremy has made it clear to me that he does not wholeheartedly share this view.

Could indicate that Corbyn may position Labour towards a neutral or anti-EU stance for the upcoming referendum.

 

[valenta]

Could indicate that Corbyn may position Labour towards a neutral or anti-EU stance for the upcoming referendum.

I think there may be too much opposition from within the party to do this. It is noticeable that he does not present a firm stance on this issue, which is most unusual for him! Of course, Corbyn is concerned purely with the negative social impact of Europe rather than the typical UKIP stance.

 

[Spamcan81]

What is this Socialist Utopia rubbish. He is a bit left wing, not Josef Stalin.

Josef Stalin was not a Socialist. An evil despot maybe but definitely not a Socialist.

 

[fowler9]

Josef Stalin was not a Socialist. An evil despot maybe but definitely not a Socialist.

Feel free to tell more people this. Some can't tell the difference.

 

[Qwerty133]

Could indicate that Corbyn may position Labour towards a neutral or anti-EU stance for the upcoming referendum.

I'm not so sure that this would be good for the No or leave campaign...

 

[TheEdge]

One issue I do agree with Jeremy Corbyn is Trident, why in this day and age do we need it when there are far more effective methods available to ensure the security of the UK.

Far better to scrap the programme and retrain these involved in it in other trades in the RN.

I hate this sort of thinking, normally applied to military spending.

No one can predict the future and there are countless examples of "we don't need this now". In the 1970s we didn't need proper aircraft carriers there and then, in 1982 the Falkland's task force would have killed for Ark Royal and its Phantoms. The same thinking means we no longer have anti-sub aircraft and there are no intentions to develop a replacement for the Challenger II.

Frankly with the amount of sabre rattling (and actual boots on the ground invasions!) coming from Russia now is not the time to be removing deterrents.