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physics34 said:
I just find it really cheap and nasty, lack of foresight and lack of thought for passengers. The seats aren't really adequate for standard class passengers let alone 1st class.
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Have you sat in them? I find them very comfortable indeed in Standard.

I agree they are inadequate for First Class, which should be 2+1 on that kind of service.
 
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Have you sat in them? I find them very comfortable indeed in Standard.

I agree they are inadequate for First Class, which should be 2+1 on that kind of service.
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sure we've had this disagreement in what is and what isn't comfortable before, but I don't get how they can be described as "very comfortable". Your sofa at home must be rock hard
 
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physics34 said:
sure we've had this disagreement in what is and what isn't comfortable before, but I don't get how they can be described as "very comfortable". Your sofa at home must be rock hard ????????????
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I agree, I don't know which planet you must be on to find these seats very comfortable. "Okay", or "decent enough for a shortish journey" I can accept but I struggle to see how they could be described as "very comfortable". A numb bum is the order of the day after enduring two hours from Harpenden to Brighton. Always try to catch a 377/5 myself!
 
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I saw them out today at South Croydon. They do look quite smart, but I am disgusted at the fact that they can expect people to pay a premium for a first class area that is worse than some trains on the line have in standard. The Gatwick Express stock has had very nice first class until now, why is such a stupid short sighted move being put in place? There is still absolutely no difference between first and standard, how is this a train 'designed for the airport traveller'?
 
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southern442 said:
I saw them out today at South Croydon. They do look quite smart, but I am disgusted at the fact that they can expect people to pay a premium for a first class area that is worse than some trains on the line have in standard. The Gatwick Express stock has had very nice first class until now, why is such a stupid short sighted move being put in place? There is still absolutely no difference between first and standard, how is this a train 'designed for the airport traveller'?
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People like us need to complain, complain in the press (including the rail press),or directly to the companies or DFT.

I'd put a complaint in myself but I work for govia ??????
 
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Govia will simply be supplying the cheapest train possible within their contract. So the answer to your question is ultimately David Cameron.
 
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richa2002 said:
I agree, I don't know which planet you must be on to find these seats very comfortable. "Okay", or "decent enough for a shortish journey" I can accept but I struggle to see how they could be described "very comfortable". A numb bum is the order of the day after enduring two hours from Harpenden to Brighton. Always try to catch a 377/5 myself!
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Thanks for the vote of confidence! I'll have to suffer these trains in a few years
 
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southern442 said:
I saw them out today at South Croydon. They do look quite smart, but I am disgusted at the fact that they can expect people to pay a premium for a first class area that is worse than some trains on the line have in standard. The Gatwick Express stock has had very nice first class until now, why is such a stupid short sighted move being put in place? There is still absolutely no difference between first and standard, how is this a train 'designed for the airport traveller'?
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Agreed, the pictures make them look quite smart, but seriously no difference between First & Standard other than an antimacassar.

Compared to the 1+1 "first" class seating on a 332 (which looks very lush), or even the 2+1 seating on the other electrostar designed for airport express duties, it's like they couldn't be bothered.

How long before they end up throughout the network, not just on Gat Express/Brighton duties?
 
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JamesRowden said:
Govia will simply be supplying the cheapest train possible within their contract. So the answer to your question is ultimately David Cameron.
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I'm not sure well-appointed First Class accommodation would/will be Jeremy Corbyn's highest priority, either...

Do we know how many seats will be designated First Class on the 387/2s? On the Thameslink examples it's 10 seats behind one cab.
 
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Any guesses to what brand Govia is going to print on the side of the train? ;)
 
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Any news on when the 387s will be hitting the Gatwick Express route? (Apologies if this has already been discussed recently, I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything)
 
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Any news on when the 387s will be hitting the Gatwick Express route? (Apologies if this has already been discussed recently, I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything)
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Early 2016 I believe. They need a unit in order to train the drivers on them.
 
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