London Bridge - new timetable during reconstruction works commencing 5th January 2015

[southern442]

It was a Bexleyheath line train according to the ES. I think this one.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W03841/2016/03/02/advanced

Funnily enough it arrived on time

 

[Bald Rick]

Funnily enough it arrived on time

But counts as a punctuality failure and a cancellation for the figures.

 

[Barn]

Over the coming weeks, the Cannon Street service is suspended at weekends as much or indeed more than the Charing Cross service. Out of interest, what are these CST closures used for, broadly speaking?

 

[Bald Rick]

Over the coming weeks, the Cannon Street service is suspended at weekends as much or indeed more than the Charing Cross service. Out of interest, what are these CST closures used for, broadly speaking?

Prep works for Easter and August. Installing new signals, track circuits, cabling, cable routes, new gantries, converting points operating equipment, installing new TPWS / AWS, new buildings / location cases for the signalling equipment, and some track work. One of them will be for a full test of the installed kit back to the new workstations at Three Bridges before the August commissioning, albeit not everything will be installed by then, as some can only be done at the commissioning itself.

 

[Busaholic]

Funnily enough it arrived on time

Yes, but at Sevenoaks rather than Gravesend?

 

[Barn]

Prep works for Easter and August. Installing new signals, track circuits, cabling, cable routes, new gantries, converting points operating equipment, installing new TPWS / AWS, new buildings / location cases for the signalling equipment, and some track work. One of them will be for a full test of the installed kit back to the new workstations at Three Bridges before the August commissioning, albeit not everything will be installed by then, as some can only be done at the commissioning itself.

Quite a bit then! Cheers.

 

[30907]

Yes, but at Sevenoaks rather than Gravesend?

Dartford via Loop vice Bexleyheath if N/100 has identified it correctly.

 

[carriageline]

I was going to post on this thread every time my train got delayed but I've since come to my sense and realised that it may be a stupid idea. However today there was something interesting in the Evening Standard (and this is pretty rare in itself) that said a Southeastern train was sent down the wrong line by signalmen. I can't find an article online (yet) but if there is one that comes up I will post it.

Happens every day, nothing to report, nothing special. Mistakes happen

 

[Sunset route]

Happens every day, nothing to report, nothing special. Mistakes happen

and they do happen, especially with the amount of trains that are running over an ever increasingly crowded railway with multiple junctions, then chuck in the odd failure or GZAC with the wrong blocking points and the brain is working in overtime.

 

[Chrisgr31]

I thought I'd pop in to report that on the last 4 days I have caught my train into London Bridge it has arrived early (well against the published timetable). Train back not been so good but thats been due to a late running train ex Vic in front.

 

[ScotGG]

A Southern not Southeastern user? A crap day today for Southeastern again. I don't see any respite for a long time. If anything, getting worse after August.

 

[MrB]

A Southern not Southeastern user? A crap day today for Southeastern again. I don't see any respite for a long time. If anything, getting worse after August.

Agreed it does seem to be getting worse and worse for us!

 

[FOH]

Agreed it does seem to be getting worse and worse for us!

Seems only fair to share the pain. Welcome to the party pal!

 

[ScotGG]

Seems only fair to share the pain. Welcome to the party pal!

Welcome to the party? It's been on a steady downward slide since early 2015! Probably worse than Southern now for a year.

 

[Chrisgr31]

Yes indeed I was referring to the Southern side. Not in the office today but the good inward service has continued this week. Not quite so good on the way home though!

 

[southern442]

Given how terribly worse the December timetable has made everything for us, I can't see anything getting any better in May. Maybe a DOR takeover would be a good idea.

 

[Class377/5]

Given how terribly worse the December timetable has made everything for us, I can't see anything getting any better in May. Maybe a DOR takeover would be a good idea.

You do realise that DOR will have zero impact if they even still existed (DOR as you know they were wound up a while ago) .

 

[ScotGG]

You do realise that DOR will have zero impact if they even still existed (DOR as you know they were wound up a while ago) .

Any news on August's timetable change for Southeastern? I expected more consultation by now. I know people on some SE Metro lines (especially Woolwich line) who will see big changes affecting work and commuting but little publicity. It's only just over 4 months away.

Then we have the rumours that computer modelling has shown initial plans for August not workable.

On the Woolwich line I'm wondering how many trains will stop at London Bridge (the early consultation said about 3 I think an hour in the peak). They will surely all need to be 12 car but no word coming out. Even then it could be packed. Or not. Who knows. But some info on plans would be nice.

It could force more people on the DLR. But then development like the 4k homes at Royal Wharf on the DLR line open from mid 2016. What modelling has there been on DLR crowding? Plus the thousands of homes in Woolwich itself becoming occupied long before Crossrail opens in late 2018.

 

[Class377/5]

Any news on August's timetable change for Southeastern? I expected more consultation by now. I know people on some SE Metro lines (especially Woolwich line) who will see big changes affecting work and commuting but little publicity. It's only just over 4 months away.

Then we have the rumours that computer modelling has shown initial plans for August not workable.

On the Woolwich line I'm wondering how many trains will stop at London Bridge (the early consultation said about 3 I think an hour in the peak). They will surely all need to be 12 car but no word coming out. Even then it could be packed. Or not. Who knows. But some info on plans would be nice.

It could force more people on the DLR. But then development like the 4k homes at Royal Wharf on the DLR line open from mid 2016. What modelling has there been on DLR crowding? Plus the thousands of homes in Woolwich itself becoming occupied long before Crossrail opens in late 2018.

Sorry I honestly don't know any of what you are asking for.

 

[Bald Rick]

It could force more people on the DLR. But then development like the 4k homes at Royal Wharf on the DLR line open from mid 2016. What modelling has there been on DLR crowding? Plus the thousands of homes in Woolwich itself becoming occupied long before Crossrail opens in late 2018.

The passenger demand modelling covers all public transport, plus walking, across the whole of London. So yes, the DLR has been modelled.

 

[Tangent]

Quite amusing today: as a result of the point problems at Lewisham this morning, my Cannon Street service ended up on the way to CHX, much to the apparent surprise of the driver!

Checking the amended service avoiding Lewisham online before boarding, I was surprised that, as it was going to Cannon Street, it cut out New Cross. Once we didn't take the crossover at St John's, I wondered whether a new crossover I had not spotted had been installed somewhere, and spent the journey looking for it. We didn't get an announcement until we had reached the new platforms at LBG.

 

[rd749249]

Wondering if there's been any news on the new LBG/CST/CHX August timetable?

 

[kentman]

The WTT 2016-08-29 to 2016-12-09 is visible in http://www.opentraintimes.com/ as to how set in stone it is I do not know. It's too early for the variations for the August BH and the blockade to be there yet.

Southeasten say May for the next update - http://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/download/19410.3/august-2016-draft-timetable-consultation-update/

The Southeasten May timetables booklets do have an outline of the blockade :

• Friday 26 August 2016 is the last day that trains into London Cannon Street will call at London Bridge until January 2018. Platforms 1, 2 & 3 at London Bridge will close for reconstruction work after this date

• Saturday 27 & Sunday 28 August 2016 London Charing Cross & Cannon Street and all lines to New Cross & Charlton are closed

• From Monday 29 August 2016 London Bridge platforms 7, 8 & 9 will open and trains into London Charing Cross can resume calling at London Bridge

• Monday 29 August 2016 until Thursday 1 September 2016 London Cannon Street station and the route to Charlton via Greenwich is closed – a temporary timetable, with major changes, diversions and fewer services than normal, will apply on these dates.

• From Friday 2 September, a new timetable will start. Most trains to and from London Charing Cross will resume calling at London Bridge, however trains to and from London Cannon Street will not call at London Bridge.

 

[ScotGG]

Some long peak-time gaps at increasingly busy metro stations (5-10% annual growth and much housing under construction nearby) on opentraintimes. It wont be fun!

 

[Barn]

• From Friday 2 September, a new timetable will start. Most trains to and from London Charing Cross will resume calling at London Bridge, however trains to and from London Cannon Street will not call at London Bridge.

So some CHX services will not stop at London Bridge. Is this a temporary thing during the construction whilst we're still a platform down? At completion is it the intention that no service will pass non-stop through London Bridge?

 

[hwl]

So some CHX services will not stop at London Bridge. Is this a temporary thing during the construction whilst we're still a platform down? At completion is it the intention that no service will pass non-stop through London Bridge?

24tph through 3 platforms without some non stopping services in at least 1 direction probably won't work as they couldn't manage it on the Cannon Street lines before the works started (there are other limitations there but it still holds) The old P6 (the busiest platform in Europe) could only manage 18tph in the morning peak so with 3 platforms a 48 trains in 2 directions some of them are going to be ECS or non stopping...
With 4 platforms a piece of cake to achieve the 14tp platform per hour (28tph).

edit to add:
Having looked at the WTT:

Am peak:

Up Charing Cross services:
All 24tph Up Charing Cross services stop and alternate between platforms 8 and 9

Down Services:
All use P7
10 stop
10 pass in service (8 are shorter distance services)
4 run ECS

Pm peak:

Is more spread out anyway
All down services stop and alternate between P7&8

Of the 19tph up services between 1730 and 1830:
18tph stop at P9, 1 tph passes

 

[MrB]

So some CHX services will not stop at London Bridge. Is this a temporary thing during the construction whilst we're still a platform down? At completion is it the intention that no service will pass non-stop through London Bridge?

I believe the intention was that all trains would call at London Bridge, yes.

Pm peak:

Is more spread out anyway
All down services stop alternative between P7&8

Of the 19tph up services between 1730 and 1830:
18tph stop at P9, 1 tph passes

Does this 1 passing train run in service or as ECS?

 

[hwl]

I believe the intention was that all trains would call at London Bridge, yes.



Does this 1 passing train run in service or as ECS?

Post August 2017 Charing Cross gets the use of platform 6 as well at which point is is far easier to stop all trains at LBG than not stop them (unless they are ECS)

1 Passing train:
Orpington to Charing Cross in service

 

[FOH]

Have to say both Friday evening at 1821 from LBG and this morning at 0845 were rubbish. Friday's service abandoning the metro stations compounded with the 1806 was a right PITA and this morning too where I got to observe the landscape every single bloomin signal too.

 

[southern442]

Their new excuse is high levels of staff sickness. This has been going for about 2 weeks now and when they do bother to give an excuse (which is still a rare occurrence) this is the only excuse given. I'm not sure to what extent this is true (although I doubt they would make something up) but most trains that I travel on going home (mornings are usually not too bad, except for today) are late by at least 5 minutes.