1st EMT class 158 refurbished

[devon_metro]

Considering that standard class seats are better

 

[Coradia]

They don't look too bad, to be honest itll be nice to see a 158 that doesn't have a ripped to shreds interior. But as the video said, it isn't the answer, the amunt of people using it won't be balanced by these extra seats since they are oly two car 158s. Until the DaT agree to extra coaches, overcrowding will still be a problem.

 

[BJMorley]

From the MML side...

Mainly cos then it would displace more HSTs

In the new timetable, it says that "5+5 Meridian set will have more seats than a HST" While thats good, the 222s have shorter carriage lengths, and seats are crammed in. With a HST, BR solved the problem by intrducing longer carriages, with more space.

And good lord!!! They've designed a livery without the horrid wrap around Yellow!!! HSTs, 158s & 153s have been designed just right!! 8) 8)
Brandon

 

[class 313]

In the new timetable, it says that "5+5 Meridian set will have more seats than a HST" While thats good, the 222s have shorter carriage lengths, and seats are crammed in. With a HST, BR solved the problem by intrducing longer carriages, with more space.

And good lord!!! They've designed a livery without the horrid wrap around Yellow!!! HSTs, 158s & 153s have been designed just right!! 8) 8)
Brandon

The yellow wraps round on HSTs too...

 

[BJMorley]

yh but that looks good!!! not like the 222s where it doesn't even the fit the design, a bit like GNER & NXEC in a way, also the circles on the 156s are horrid!! They just don't do anything for it!!!
Brandon

 

[Max]

With Max about the ex-TPE 158s, they are quite comfy and I always try to get a seat in the declassified first class compartment, they're great 8)
Same when we get the SWT ones, I always go for the declassified first class, not failed to do so once yet

This reminds me of the good old days when there used to be the through trains from Bridlington-Manchester worked by TPE 158s. Although they were advertised as being through trains, first class wasn't advertised between Hull and Bridlington, and there were no first class fares for the route, so I normally tried to get in first class, even if it was for the 5 minute journey from Cottingham into Hull!

 

[P156KWJ]

With Max about the ex-TPE 158s, they are quite comfy and I always try to get a seat in the declassified first class compartment, they're great 8)
Same when we get the SWT ones, I always go for the declassified first class, not failed to do so once yet

I still haven't got a SWT unit on hire to EMT hock: I'm always bombarded with Alphaline ones

EMT's customer service I find is generally good, however some staff on the ex-MML side can be quite jobsworths and somequite angry and unhelpful

 

[adamp]

Ive been on current EMT services, Liverpool L Street to Manchester, oh my god.
The amount of people crammed in on these services at peak time is shocking.

-Adam

 

[PM]

The first refurbished 158 is due to enter service tomorrow. Starting at Nottingham...... so I am reliably informed......

I think we will like it. It looks bright inside with the new lighting and seats. Although many dont like the new seats (scotrail 158 and FGW HST) because of their height, these are to the new Railway Group Standards.

I do like the livery on the 158 though and the finish looks extremely good.

 

[P156KWJ]

what service will it be operating? If it's the Lincoln line and it's timed right, I can see the line from my maths room window

 

[Aureol]

Thanks for that PM
As for the seats, they look like they're the same ones as used on the SWT 159s, so if they are then they will be very comfy, almost First Class standard

 

[Edvid]

They're not a variation of the SWT 159 seats, they're a variation of the FGW HST seats.

 

[class 313]

Thanks for that PM
As for the seats, they look like they're the same ones as used on the SWT 159s, so if they are then they will be very comfy, almost First Class standard

How do they? They are the same seats from the refurb Mk3s with fGW. How could they even look similar.

 

[Aureol]

Ok, report from a run with 158783 21:36 Sheffield - Alfreton.
Despite the paintwork only being a month or so old, it is already showing signs of wear.
Destination blinds are still old type, not the new LED type
No such route display in passenger saloons
No at-seat power supply
Seats are hard, exactly the same as the FGW HST seats but with Stagecoach moquette
Engines seemed to be struggling
No apparent air-con
Tables are far too low, about 3 inches lower than the originals
Seats are too thin, though the aisles are wider due to this
Toilets....all very blue, the lighting's poor though the hand washing facilities are fair, manual soap dispenser and automatic water and hand blowdryer.
Interior lighting is good, a nice calming light blue
Vestibules are cleaner, though still the same usual 158 vestibule layout.
Quite an amusing one, though probably not the unit's fault, was that it slipped straight through Alfreton, went back and nearly slipped through again at a mere 15 - 20mph.

Overall personal rating of the refurb: 6.5/10

 

[16CSVT2700]

In the new timetable, it says that "5+5 Meridian set will have more seats than a HST" While thats good, the 222s have shorter carriage lengths, and seats are crammed in. With a HST, BR solved the problem by intrducing longer carriages, with more space.

Class 222:
23.85 m (78 ft 3 in) end cars
22.82 m (74 ft 10 in) other

HST MK3:
22.86m

Hmm not sure where your shorter carriage argument comes into it.. with a difference of 4cm shorter and 99cm longer..

 

[class 313]

Class 222:
23.85 m (78 ft 3 in) end cars
22.82 m (74 ft 10 in) other

HST MK3:
22.86m

Hmm not sure where your shorter carriage argument comes into it.. with a difference of 4cm shorter and 99cm longer..

Another 'just wow' comment from BJ methinks!

Anyway, If the seats are exactly the same as fGW then how are they too thin?

 

[16CSVT2700]

Another 'just wow' comment from BJ methinks!

Anyway, If the seats are exactly the same as fGW then how are they too thin?

Yeah I think so too.
It's great pointing out inaccuracies of those who think they know it all not saying I do of course.. a little research goes a long way.

 

[Aureol]

Anyway, If the seats are exactly the same as fGW then how are they too thin?

Have you been on 158783 since refurb?

 

[PM]

I travelled on the train yesterday and was quite impressed. It looks quite "lively" and yet works........ I did like the external livery...

My informed source says that the seats are the IC3000 grammer seats and are exactly thee same as those fitted to FGW an Scotrail. The only difference being the moquette which was bought from Camira/Holdsworth Fabrics.
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The tables are at exactly the same height as previous, the difference is that the table edge is now much thicker. This was a reccomendation from an accident report to stop abdominal injuries in the event of an accident

The aircon has not been changed on the first vehicle and I had noticed that both vehicles had NEW engines under, or at least they looked new.

 

[class 313]

Have you been on 158783 since refurb?

I have been on a FGW Refurb which have the same seats. So again, how can they be too thin? They are fine in the MK3s...
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I travelled on the train yesterday and was quite impressed. It looks quite "lively" and yet works........ I did like the external livery...

My informed source says that the seats are the IC3000 grammer seats and are exactly thee same as those fitted to FGW an Scotrail. The only difference being the moquette which was bought from Camira/Holdsworth Fabrics.
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The tables are at exactly the same height as previous, the difference is that the table edge is now much thicker. This was a reccomendation from an accident report to stop abdominal injuries in the event of an accident

The aircon has not been changed on the first vehicle and I had noticed that both vehicles had NEW engines under, or at least they looked new.

Complete contradiction to Aureols post. Hmm

 

[Aureol]

Complete contradiction to Aureols post. Hmm

So?
Are you saying I've not been on it or something?
Am I not allowed to have a personal opinion that it's crap?

 

[class 313]

So?
Are you saying I've not been on it or something?
Am I not allowed to have a personal opinion that it's crap?

No.

I'm saying that you're saying one thing whilst PM says another. For example you say the Tables are too low whereas PM says they are the same height.

I also note you still haven't answered my question.

 

[Aureol]

No.

I'm saying that you're saying one thing whilst PM says another. For example you say the Tables are too low whereas PM says they are the same height.

I also note you still haven't answered my question.

Either they are lower than the old ones or the seats are higher, either way they don't feel the same.

And in answer to your question, when I was sat down in the aisle seat my side was sticking out into the aisle, whereas this wouldn't have happened on the old seats.
That said, I did have jacknottm sat next to me

*runs for cover from Jack*

 

[jacknottm]

Just wait till i next see you

As said though. It really is a job done on the cheap. It slipped tremendously through Alfreton station and nearly did the same at Langley Mill with only one carriage on the platform. We then had a problem with the doors opening at Nottingham

Well done EMT..Another brilliant job [/sarcasm]

 

[P156KWJ]

I seriously hope that htey stop refurbishing units now. This can't go on! They should be refurbed when the plans are properley thought out.

 

[devon_metro]

They provide 20 extra seats per unit. That is thought out enough. THey can't have power sockets anyway Aureoul the 158 alternators simply cannot cope with it.

 

[P156KWJ]

I'm not on about the extra seats I'm on about their reliability and comfort

 

[class 313]

I'm not on about the extra seats I'm on about their reliability and comfort

This is just an excuse to have a cheap shot at EMT. They have been told to get extra seats, so they have and you still moan. :roll: And I don't see what reliability has anything to do with it, its only been in service for a couple of days.
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THey can't have power sockets anyway Aureoul the 158 alternators simply cannot cope with it.

Don't even know why Aureol was even expecting sockets anyway. :-x

 

[Aureol]

They can't have power sockets anyway Aureoul the 158 alternators simply cannot cope with it.

Don't even know why Aureol was even expecting sockets anyway. :-x

So why do the ex-TPE ones have them in First Class, then?

 

[P156KWJ]

This is just an excuse to have a cheap shot at EMT. They have been told to get extra seats, so they have and you still moan. :roll: And I don't see what reliability has anything to do with it, its only been in service for a couple of days.
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Don't even know why Aureol was even expecting sockets anyway. :-x

it's not a moan for no reason thing, it's a moan for pi$$ poor management! and besides, I'm allowed to think that it's not very good.