Jeremy Corbyn's Traingate

[backontrack]

There is now a Twitter campaign to find the family, apparently. They might be yellow, or possible have the surname Incredible, or have snouts and live on Wimbledon Common. Anything else is a bit of a stretch.

 

[VauxhallandI]

Could it be possible that he imagined all the reserved slips meant the seats were reserved?

I don't know how versed he is with long distance travel and the nuances of rail travel in the UK.

Could be another reflection of the publics ignorance to what seems obvious to trainy types?

 

[Wivenswold]

I don't agree with Souter on that section 28 stuff, which was a long time again. Nevertheless he has a right to an opinion.

But effectively Corbyn has fabricated a story to appeal to his supporters as official leader of the opposition, against the interests of two leading very successful British business people. He's not fit to hold office.

You're clearly new to this politics lark.

 

[DarloRich]

Could it be possible that he imagined all the reserved slips meant the seats were reserved?

I don't know how versed he is with long distance travel and the nuances of rail travel in the UK.

Could be another reflection of the publics ignorance to what seems obvious to trainy types?

He could quite possibly have thought that - however he is held to be knowledgeable about the railway network and the operation of trains.

 

[crehld]

Could it be possible that he imagined all the reserved slips meant the seats were reserved?

I don't know how versed he is with long distance travel and the nuances of rail travel in the UK.

Could be another reflection of the publics ignorance to what seems obvious to trainy types?

It probably is. It might also raise questions about whether long distance services should be fully reservable to avoid people looking for empty seats (a la France). But I guess that's a discussion for another thread.

The fact is any sensible discussion about overcrowding, capacity and seat availability has been overshadowed by Corbyn lying.

 

[embers25]

Could it be possible that he imagined all the reserved slips meant the seats were reserved?

I don't know how versed he is with long distance travel and the nuances of rail travel in the UK.

Could be another reflection of the publics ignorance to what seems obvious to trainy types?

The cctv shows him walking through Coach H past numerous empty unreserved seats.

 

[Wivenswold]

I'm glad the press are raising awareness about this disgusting scandal.

Shame they let celebrity paedos off the hook for so long, helped with the Hillsborough cover up and offshore their profits from UK sales thus reducing available funds for schooling and healthcare too.

 

[WatcherZero]

Original Guardian story was he refused a upgrade to first class he was offered (with ommission that he got a seat before the first stop) Woman who took a selfie with him on the floor today said she accepted that free upgrade offer and Corbyn was at the same time taken to a available seat in Standard by train staff.

CCTV Pictures show him walking past the same empty seat he was escorted too 30 minutes earlier.

We also now know the journalist who filmed the original story for the Guardian was a freelancer and part of Corbyns entourage.

 

[6Gman]

Could it be possible that he imagined all the reserved slips meant the seats were reserved?

I don't know how versed he is with long distance travel and the nuances of rail travel in the UK.

If he's not well versed in railway issues why did he feel qualified to do a piece to film saying how the industry should be structured?

Oh, and were there any slips in Coach H - which he walked through?

 

[ScotTrains]

The last thing we need is yet another Labour PM who is not afraid to blatantly lie to the public.

 

[embers25]

I'm glad the press are raising awareness about this disgusting scandal.

Shame they let celebrity paedos off the hook for so long, helped with the Hillsborough cover up and offshore their profits from UK sales thus reducing available funds for schooling and healthcare too.

Yes but this lying clown wants to run the country and if he will manipulate even something as trivial as this it show how low he will go and that should concern anyone wanting to vote for him. It's one thing for the unions to lie but for Corbyn it's a whole different ball game.

 

[backontrack]

Apparently he's now saying he wanted 2 seats for his wife?

Surely he'd let her have 1 seat, unless she got upgraded - but if that's true, then what on Earth is he doing in the aisle???

 

[azz7008]

Corbyn just wants a old-fashioned monopoly. Monopolies are just bad. They only suit those scared of the competition and the real world, and those wishing to exercise power over everyone else.

Sorry for the late quote but this needed to be addressed. You cannot have 'selective economics' to suit your agenda when it's been analysed and there is a general consensus that a renationalisation of the railways would be good for the UK. The east coast franchise showed what can be done with one body in power. Without wanting to turn this thread into an argument of economics, I suggest you read 'Natural Monopoly and it's regulation' to have a more balanced opinion. As with everything in economics there are two sides to every story and monopolies aren't necessarily evil.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I'd have thought the substantive point for Virgin is that Jeremy Corbyn was making the train an example of why the railway should be nationalised, ie to deprive Virgin of its legitimate business.
He also said there were too few trains and they were too expensive (assuming he meant the fares), and those problems would be solved by nationalising the railway.
I don't remember BR ever buying more than the bare minimum of trains (usually too few) or cutting fares (they invented peak hour restrictions).
The HST and IC225 programmes were capped specifically by BR/DfT/Treasury, the last planned tranche of HSTs for the ECML being canned.
Just like a Corbyn administration would do.
And anyway, the replacement EC IEP trains were 100% specified and contracted by the government, not Virgin.

 

[Harbornite]

I'd have thought the substantive point for Virgin is that Jeremy Corbyn was making the train an example of why the railway should be nationalised, ie to deprive Virgin of its legitimate business.
He also said there were too few trains and they were too expensive (assuming he meant the fares), and those problems would be solved by nationalising the railway.
I don't remember BR ever buying more than the bare minimum of trains (usually too few) or cutting fares (BR invented peak hour restrictions).
The HST and IC225 programmes were capped specifically by BR/DfT/Treasury, the last planned tranche of HSTs being canned.
Just like a Corbyn administration would do.

Indeed, not to mention APT, intercity 250.


Corbyn tried to spin this as a dig against Virgin and the private system but has obviously failed.

 

[Harbornite]

I'm glad the press are raising awareness about this disgusting scandal.

Shame they let celebrity paedos off the hook for so long, helped with the Hillsborough cover up and offshore their profits from UK sales thus reducing available funds for schooling and healthcare too.

Neither Corbyn or the media have clean hands.

 

[Wivenswold]

Yes but this lying clown wants to run the country and if he will manipulate even something as trivial as this it show how low he will go and that should concern anyone wanting to vote for him. It's one thing for the unions to lie but for Corbyn it's a whole different ball game.

Lying clown? Wow, you really have fallen for the some of the nonsense in the press. Corbyn is one of the few MPs who has stuck to his principles.

But in the interests of parity, perhaps you could tell me who you consider to be a paragon of honesty in Parliament?

 

[ainsworth74]

A number of posts have been deleted for various reasons mostly because there appears to have been some misunderstandings, miscommunications and some that were attacking the poster not the argument.

If we could try and avoid that happening again it would be appreciated.

 

[Harbornite]

Lying clown? Wow, you really have fallen for the some of the nonsense in the press.

Corbyn is one of the few MPs who has stuck to his principles.

Is lying one of his principles? I'm not saying that all MPs are holier than thou, but my point still stands.

 

[plastictaffy]

Oh, what a hero Corbyn is. :roll:

 

[6Gman]

Lying clown? Wow, you really have fallen for the some of the nonsense in the press. Corbyn is one of the few MPs who has stuck to his principles.

The evidence strongly suggests that Corbyn walked past empty unreserved seats in one coach; then past unused reserved seats (after departure) in another coach. He then sat in a vestibule to film a piece complaining about the train being rammed full.

He then went to sit in an unreserved seat in the original coach.

Which of his principles was he sticking to there?

 

[embers25]

Lying clown? Wow, you really have fallen for the some of the nonsense in the press. Corbyn is one of the few MPs who has stuck to his principles.

But in the interests of parity, perhaps you could tell me who you consider to be a paragon of honesty in Parliament?

The principle of I can't make a reasoned argument for renaionalisation of the railways so I'll make one up.

 

[Wivenswold]

Is lying one of his principles? I'm not saying that all MPs are holier than thou, but my point still stands.

No, for an MP he's pretty straight but I've only been following politics closely for 30 years. And there are now press reports suggesting the train was rammed but not in any of the Nationals, they've been following an anti-Corbyn agenda for some time.

It happens to any MP who suggests we should shut down tax havens. Miliband was the last one. A quick review of which nationals don't pay corporations tax will reveal that those who shout the loudest have the most to hide.
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The principle of I can't make a reasoned argument for renaionalisation of the railways so I'll make one up.

So you can't answer my question. Thank you. Next.

 

[embers25]

No, for an MP he's pretty straight but I've only been following politics closely for 30 years. And there are now press reports suggesting the train was rammed but not in any of the Nationals, they've been following an anti-Corbyn agenda for some time.

It happens to any MP who suggests we should shut down tax havens. Miliband was the last one. A quick review of which nationals don't pay corporations tax will reveal that those who shout the loudest have the most to hide.
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So you can't answer my question. Thank you. Next.

You don't see May pulling a stunt like Corbyn did....it's bad enough doing it but when you get caught own up...also Corbyn is claiming to be different and yet he is no different at all so that removes literally the only thing he has going for him.

 

[EM2]

In all of this, what has Corbyn himself said that is not true?

 

[jon0844]

Sorry for the late quote but this needed to be addressed. You cannot have 'selective economics' to suit your agenda when it's been analysed and there is a general consensus that a renationalisation of the railways would be good for the UK. The east coast franchise showed what can be done with one body in power. Without wanting to turn this thread into an argument of economics, I suggest you read 'Natural Monopoly and it's regulation' to have a more balanced opinion. As with everything in economics there are two sides to every story and monopolies aren't necessarily evil.

Have you seen the thread on here where there's not much support for renationalisation? From people who know a few things about the railway, and are far from fat cat managers.

 

[Harbornite]

In all of this, what has Corbyn himself said that is not true?

He was right in saying that British commuters face overcrowding at times. However, in this instance, this was incorrect:

“Today this train is completely ram-packed.

Evidently it wasn't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...yn-had-a-seat-during-train-journey-he-claime/

Have you seen the thread on here where there's not much support for renationalisation? From people who know a few things about the railway, and are far from fat cat managers.

Regarding that thread, there's more votes in favour of renationalisation. Pity.

 

[Wivenswold]

You don't see May pulling a stunt like Corbyn did....it's bad enough doing it but when you get caught own up...also Corbyn is claiming to be different and yet he is no different at all so that removes literally the only thing he has going for him.

No, May was at The Home Office when the old Tory Paedo file "couldn't be found". Should I also mention that her department gave a huge contract to a firm that her husband holds shares in?

And while we're in the blue corner. What about the £360m promised for hospitals if we left the EU?

 

[Haydn1971]

In all of this, what has Corbyn himself said that is not true?

We don't know, because all we hear is the twisted spin of the various groups in all of this - I don't believe any of the hype in the press these days, but it's very interesting at the membership want Corbyn, yet the parliamentary group don't... I'm tired of the same old politics, time for Corbyn in my book, time to clear out the greed from Westminster and start dealing with the huge injustice in wealth, care and services available to everyone.

 

[EM2]

Evidently it wasn't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...yn-had-a-seat-during-train-journey-he-claime/

It depends on your definition of 'ram-packed'. A few seats in a couple of coaches, with what seems to be plenty of people needing a seat would suggest that the train is full. Not full and standing, admittedly.