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Jeremy Corbyn's Traingate

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Tim R-T-C said:
It is very annoying - makes it hard to get through with bags and people board the train, see folk sitting in the vestibules and then congregate there thinking the train is full.
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That be the issue, you get some people boarding seeing people sitting in the vestibules and not bothering to look into the carriage to find empty seats.

Groups like to sit together, if they board and can't find seats together they will most likely stand or sit in the vestibules in order to talk about stuff.

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I would imagine some of the northbound services from Kings Cross this morning would be busy, last bank holiday weekend of the year so it be a "great getaway" before the kids go back to school.
 
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Kite159 said:
That be the issue, you get some people boarding seeing people sitting in the vestibules and not bothering to look into the carriage to find empty seats.

Groups like to sit together, if they board and can't find seats together they will most likely stand or sit in the vestibules in order to talk about stuff.

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I would imagine some of the northbound services from Kings Cross this morning would be busy, last bank holiday weekend of the year so it be a "great getaway" before the kids go back to school.
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Even on TPE 350s with no vestibules you get idiots sitting by the doors when there are empty seats. Usually on the platform side door to make sure they delay boarding at every station.
 
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Mordac said:
Even on TPE 350s with no vestibules you get idiots sitting by the doors when there are empty seats. Usually on the platform side door to make sure they delay boarding at every station.
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Trans have doors on both sides so they may have been on the non-platform side when they boarded. Still a stupid place to choose to sit and not move when the doors open.
 
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Shock! A train heading from London to Edinburgh during the Festival is busy. In other news, water is wet.

Total non story...but then what do you expect during silly season?
 
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CyrusWuff said:
Shock! A train heading from London to Edinburgh during the Festival is busy. In other news, water is wet.

Total non story...but then what do you expect during silly season?
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It's not a new story, the video is from pre General Election. However much of an incompetent Corbyn is, he won't be happy that two Momentum activists are hauling his name through the mud again to justify their own errors of judgement. The lack of self-awareness of the activists is quite something.
 
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mpthomson said:
It's not a new story, the video is from pre General Election. However much of an incompetent Corbyn is, he won't be happy that two Momentum activists are hauling his name through the mud again to justify their own errors of judgement. The lack of self-awareness of the activists is quite something.
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It all plays to the Corbyn cult view that everything is an MSM/Tory/Globalist/ Illuminati/zionist/lizard people led conspiracy to keep him out of power because they are scared of him and only the Clownary or Squawkbox tell the "truth" or some such silliness.
 
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Mordac said:
Even on TPE 350s with no vestibules you get idiots sitting by the doors when there are empty seats. Usually on the platform side door to make sure they delay boarding at every station.
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Situation every evening on great northern. Coach closest to barrier crush loaded. From coach empty. Not sure if people see rear coaches are full they assume the train whole train is or can't be bothered to walk.

Not relevant in this case as he walked the entire train. Nothing as strange of folk.
 
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FordFocus said:
Who would you prefer? Chris Grayling or Andy McDonald as transport secretary?
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That's not really a valid question, it's more about whether a Labour or Conservative government would be better for transport. Whos sits in what particular chair makes little difference outside Home Office, Treausry and Foreign Office.
 
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Mag_seven said:
Not so much a "total non story" as to get many posters on here hot and bothered about!
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It wasn't a non-story originally and it still remains newsworthy as it shows JC up to be a liar. Admittedly politicians of all persuasions have been caught like this before and no party is better or worse than any other, but JC told us all, and appears to have fooled the Momentum lack of critical thinking types, that he was a different kind of and more honest politician.

He isn't, he's as big a liar as any other, as this and other PR disasters, particularly his links with the IRA, have shown, and JC is now being shown up for what he is again because of the stupidity of two of his followers. That's why it matters.
 
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Failed Unit said:
Situation every evening on great northern. Coach closest to barrier crush loaded. From coach empty. Not sure if people see rear coaches are full they assume the train whole train is or can't be bothered to walk.

Not relevant in this case as he walked the entire train. Nothing as strange of folk.
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Some people simply don't think at all. You're looking for a thought process which doesn't exist.

I remember taking some photos at a station in Greater Manchester, somewhere on the CLC if I remember rightly. It was a Sunday, there were posters up all over the station stating no service due to engineering work, and just off the end of the platform it could clearly be seen that the track was totallly dug up and being renewed. Yet as soon as a train was nominally due in the normal timetable a crowd of people show up on the platform, then start wondering why the train hasn't arrived, peering vacantly at their watches. The mind simply boggles how some people can be so stupid.

Personally I don't really see the value in walk-through trains. At off-peak times spreading the load trough the train doesn't really matter, and at the busiest times the regular commuter types generally *do* spread out, apart from the tendency for people to want to be positioned near the exit at their destination. In this respect a walk-through train can prove *worse* for dwell times if lots of alighting passengers choose to position themselves by one or two sets of doors near their platform exit. These doors will probably also be near the platform entrance so will have a disproportionately high number of people wanting to board too. All of a sudden one set of doors has a massively longer dwell time compared to the rest of the train. This effect can be seen at King's Cross with the S stock, especially on the outer rail where the front set of doors proves to be a bottleneck.
 
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Merthyr Imp said:
Or perhaps Mussolini would be a better choice - at least he made the trains run on time.
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A myth - it was the FS General Manager of the time , who's name escapes me now (probably padded out the timetables and increased turn around times etc -but there was a lot of modernisation done at the time)
 
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A myth - it was the FS General Manager of the time , who's name escapes me now (probably padded out the timetables and increased turn around times etc -but there was a lot of modernisation done at the time)
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I quote from Hamilton Ellis The Splendour of Steam (Allen & Unwin, 1965): "Let me once again demolish that yarn about Benito Mussolini having made the Italian trains run to time. The magician was in fact Cavaliere Carlo Crova, General Manager of the Italian State Railways in the nineteen-twenties. Undaunted by past mismanagement ... undefeated by wartime chaos and post- war political rumpus (the Fascisti and the Communisti scrapped fairly regularly in the streets just then), this remarkable man had taken the crumbling legacy of the three old railway companies - Adriatic, Mediterranean and Sicilian - rallied his demoralized staff, and licked the whole into very fair shape. ... Completion of the Crova reforms, with their quite abrupt incidence of punctuality, happened to coincide with the Fascist revolution, and so the Mussolini Railway Myth was born."


C/O of theIindependant - the Italian version of Sir Herbert Walker, and there were equal excellent and inspirational managers on the newly formed SNCF and DR.
 
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Indeed. The difference between the Freedom Of Information act and the Data Protection Act is often misunderstood.

I have edited the title of the thread to ensure the discussion focuses on the matter at hand rather than this administrative point.
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This post on the Huffington Post blog site confirms that it was a Data Protection Act Subject Act Request and not a FOI request as incorrectly stated by whoever posted the video, and seemingly the author is questioning why it took so long to release the images.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2&pLid=1372221066_uk

Virgin Trains took almost seven months to release new CCTV footage at the centre of the Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘Traingate’ journey, emails from the firm have revealed, fuelling questions over the cause of the delay.

The Richard Branson-owned firm today refused to answer HuffPost UK’s queries about a new viral video, above, which shows surveillance footage from inside the train during the Labour leader’s journey from London to Newcastle last August.

The footage was obtained under a so-called ‘Subject Access Request’ - a process the Information Commissioner says should take no more than 40 days.

Yet emails seen by HuffPost between filmmaker Yannis Mendez, who requested the footage, and Virgin Trains East Coast, reveal a near 255 day battle to obtain video from coach H, despite clips from all other carriages being released.
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mpthomson said:
It's not a new story, the video is from pre General Election. However much of an incompetent Corbyn is, he won't be happy that two Momentum activists are hauling his name through the mud again to justify their own errors of judgement. The lack of self-awareness of the activists is quite something.
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On another forum, the argument has switched now to there being seats - but only in first class, and Corbyn couldn't accept the offer to upgrade because he'd have been ridiculed.

Another said he couldn't go in first class because he had to show solidarity, as if only he would ever be offered an upgrade (happens all the time, including first class being declassified if things get truly crush loaded).

The common theme I am reading all the time is that all this proves Branson lied, followed by links to his businesses and then to the Tories, ergo this was a Tory conspiracy.

Corbyn fans (not all, obviously) are so similar to Trump fans it's scary.
 
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jon0844 said:
On another forum, the argument has switched now to there being seats - but only in first class, and Corbyn couldn't accept the offer to upgrade because he'd have been ridiculed.

Another said he couldn't go in first class because he had to show solidarity, as if only he would ever be offered an upgrade (happens all the time, including first class being declassified if things get truly crush loaded).

The common theme I am reading all the time is that all this proves Branson lied, followed by links to his businesses and then to the Tories, ergo this was a Tory conspiracy.

Corbyn fans (not all, obviously) are so similar to Trump fans it's scary.
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Personally, I don't think it was a Tory conspiracy. I agree with the idea that Corbyn couldn't have taken an upgrade. I do think Branson deliberately smeared Corbyn, and that he deliberately failed to look at the details of the case in doing so. I think that Virgin have been dishonest in refusing to release the CCTV film until now. I also think that they were in such a rush to respond to Corbyn that they got into that mess abut the CCTV blurring (pages passim ad nauseam), because they were careless and could have come out of it a lot better if they weren't so. And then again, I think they were also rather careful. Let's be honest, it was all rather opportunistic on Virgin's part, but, hey, Corbyn was being opportunistic in the first place.

Truth is, Corbyn won't have lost any supporters for the #Traingate issue. People either support him because of his leadership (these fans are too loyal to leave him over this issue), his policies (again, no-one both offers the change that Corbyn does and has leads a party large enough to deliver it, so there's no-one else for these people to support), or because the alternatives are all worse. (Lib Dems? Seriously?)

Similarly, Virgin Trains East Coast won't lose any passengers over this, because the commuters who use their trains don't really have any other options. What alternatives do they have? Hull Trains? OK, so maybe if you live in Hull, Brough or Howden, but otherwise you're pretty much stuck with Virgin. It's a captive market.

The only thing that can be damaged here is, as Taylor Swift's new album is styled, reputation. Whenever #Traingate comes out into the news it's reminding people of the time when Corbyn, to them, might have been lying about something, a situation that VTEC didn't acquit themselves well from either. So Corbyn (and Labour) probably wish that we could all just let it go and that it would vanish, really. Privatisation aside, it's generally not good when Labour figures say things about trains...
 
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