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class ep-09 said:
Not quite. Air to operate the brakes is provided from the loco to the braking system via hose and coupling air cocks. Similar way as with freight wagons.

No power is transferred from the loco to the EMU to power up its compressors as 387's compressors work when pantograph is up and power flows from OLE ( of course at reduced voltage) .
As the 387's were hauled with pantographs down - there was no powr to keep compressors running .
There may be some cabling between loco and EMU but won't have much to do with providing power to the compressors.

I want to say that I may be wrong on the above but that's what I understood , how things work, when I was on conversion course.
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The loco provides the air, and will supply emergency control auxiliaries to make use of the brakes on the unit, so it will power the unit in that it will keep the control ccts live, but not power the unit on the 'traction' side (ACM/MCM will not be running)
 
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Peter Sarf said:
I travelled past Ilford depot thus evening about 18:45. I was keeping an eye out for a 345 but instead I think I saw parts of a 387. It had the same dark green doors as a Thameslink 387/1. One driving coach was visible outside and as I started to realise it might have been on its own I saw a coach inside the shed with the gangway connection hanging down and extended somewhat. Not the end of a unit. Now I could be totally wrong but it seemed like a 387. Are the 345s similar looking or does anyone else know why a 387 is in bits at Ilford ?. Or am I mad(der) ?.
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Class 387 would probably only be there for tyre turning from c2c did it look something like this

Class 387


The Class 345 is probably out of sight from the running lines at Ilford Depot

Class 345 Stratford
 
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Class 170101 said:
Class 387 would probably only be there for tyre turning from c2c did it look something like this

Class 387


The Class 345 is probably out of sight from the running lines at Ilford Depot

Class 345 Stratford
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Yes it had the green doors and light coloured body just like a 387/1. It also looked very new - in the artificial light mind you. I could not think of any other EMU more like it. Now I see your link to the 345 I can tell it was not a 345. Thanks, puzzling, cannot be out of "warranty" yet ?.

Just occurred to me that it might not have been a c2c 387 but a Thameslink one :oops:. Even more confused but Ilford does do wheel turning.
 
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Kite159 said:
Nope, there is no 3rd Rail in the underpass linking the DC lines to the high numbered platforms at Reading.
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I also think there is no fully electrified route into DC land at the London end - there was some discussion about the lack of operational links between North Pole and the WLL a while ago, when people were asking why they had to be hauled from Bletchley to North Pole.
 
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Sounds daft I know, but I suppose if completely stuck at Reading a voyager could be coupled to it in emergency mode to drag it? Or is the Dellner the wrong height? I know the electrical box is above on the voyager and below on the 387 so no electrical connections could be made. In reality though I guess they would just call upon a 57/3 to do any rescues.
 
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Class 170101 said:
If the 37 wasn't available can the 387 travel via the 3rd Rail and back to North Pole Depot via Clapham Jn?
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These things are planned for any eventuality, so theoretically this should never occur. If one of the ROG 37's broke down however, GWR would have to send out a 57 from OOC to take the 387 back to North Pole. This would be rescheduled for another day most likely. There is no way for a 387 to get back to London without the OLE being fitted between Maidenhead and Reading.
 
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spark001uk said:
Sounds daft I know, but I suppose if completely stuck at Reading a voyager could be coupled to it in emergency mode to drag it? Or is the Dellner the wrong height? I know the electrical box is above on the voyager and below on the 387 so no electrical connections could be made. In reality though I guess they would just call upon a 57/3 to do any rescues.
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22x and Electrostars are different coupling heights, it was a problem found when initially trialling former West Coast "thunderbirds" down south.

But the only Voyagers at Reading are normally in passenger service, there are none spare or based there, so it would be a bit of a stretch of the imagination to borrow one.
 
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swt_passenger said:
22x and Electrostars are different coupling heights, it was a problem found when initially trialling former West Coast "thunderbirds" down south.

But the only Voyagers at Reading are normally in passenger service, there are none spare or based there, so it would be a bit of a stretch of the imagination to borrow one.
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Ah OK, just wondered if it was possible in an emergency, stranger things have happened. Like the hst that got pushed out of trouble by an entire freight train near Bath!
 
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Peter Sarf said:
Oh yes GWR green, hmm. Well I think only the doors were green on this (maybe) 387. I am beginning to doubt myself on this one.
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Couldn't have been a GA 379? Dark Blue and Dark Green doors probably look similar under certain lighting conditions.
 
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Various different Networker and Electrostar units do have a habit of appearing at Ilford from time to time.
 
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JN114 said:
Couldn't have been a GA 379? Dark Blue and Dark Green doors probably look similar under certain lighting conditions.
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No because the entire body is green, not just the doors :)

Had a closer look to double check last night, it has rounded windows in the doors identical to the GB 365 sitting beside it,, not rectangular ones as per an Electrostar.
 
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I wonder if it has anything to do with the routes that the ROG drivers sign? I don't know how it works with them, but most drivers normally only sign routes in their own toc area don't they?
 
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spark001uk said:
I wonder if it has anything to do with the routes that the ROG drivers sign? I don't know how it works with them, but most drivers normally only sign routes in their own toc area don't they?
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ROG must have signed the route for the deliveries they achieved early on, so it must be a straightforward change of contract.
 
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So say for example the route that was decided earlier this year for taking the class 442s up to Ely, what would a ROG driver have needed to do? Be taken on route learning etc with an instructor or regular driver(s) on that route or something?
 
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Interesting, just noticed ROG now has a pic up on homepage of 387131 hooked up to 37800. Wonder when that happened then, I thought last Tuesday's 37884 drag was the first time they'd met?
 
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spark001uk said:
Interesting, just noticed ROG now has a pic up on homepage of 387131 hooked up to 37800. Wonder when that happened then, I thought last Tuesday's 37884 drag was the first time they'd met?
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Not sure what you are asking here, but ROG delivered the first few 387s to GWR back in July and August, which is what I meant in yesterday's post (above)...
 
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Not sure what you are asking here, but ROG delivered the first few 387s to GWR back in July and August, which is what I meant in yesterday's post (above)...
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Ah right ok, I was curious as I didn't know as to when 37800 had met a 387, I didn't spot that you'd already said they did some of the deliveries early on. I think it's because I also saw a post about FL delivering the next 2, I must have assumed they had delivered the others.! ;)
 
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Ah right ok, I was curious as I didn't know as to when 37800 had met a 387, I didn't spot that you'd already said they did some of the deliveries early on. I think it's because I also saw a post about FL delivering the next 2, I must have assumed they had delivered the others.! ;)
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Yes, if you click on news on the ROG website and scroll down a bit you'll see a July picture, under the heading "Destination North Pole":

http://www.railopsgroup.co.uk/news/
 
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As Paddington to Hayes is set to go all day from January does anyone know if GWR have got around to sorting whatever issue is preventing the 387's calling at Hanwell?

Would certainly be useful for the occasions when HEX don't fancy running the connect for whatever reason.
 
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Both full sets running on c2c this morning, split into all odd and all even set numbers.

We actually crossed at West Ham at 8.38, both stopping.
 
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