Class 387

[Kite159]

Has any more 387s entered service yet with GWR?

 

[JN114]

What is the specific issue with Hanwell? And how come it doesn't apply to HEX? Thanks.

Station Lighting and safe method of dispatch using bodyside cameras. Doesn't apply to Connect (or Turbos) as they use station DOO equipment, not on-train.
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Has any more 387s entered service yet with GWR?

Still on the original 8 I believe, no more deliveries thus far.

 

[spark001uk]

Yes I noticed the lighting at Hanwell is shall we say a little behind, old victorian style lantern posts!
Another weird thing I spotted today, the bay at Hayes has obviously been extended to comfortably take an 8 car, but the sdo is set to only 7.?

 

[leomartin125]

Station Lighting and safe method of dispatch using bodyside cameras. Doesn't apply to Connect (or Turbos) as they use station DOO equipment, not on-train.
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Still on the original 8 I believe, no more deliveries thus far.

I have noticed recently that GWR Class 387140 and 387141 have been running up to Crewe on testing, so that must mean abother delivery (formed of 387138 and 387139 - the start of the next batch) is imminent from Bletchley to North Pole.

 

[louis97]

Yes I noticed the lighting at Hanwell is shall we say a little behind, old victorian style lantern posts!
Another weird thing I spotted today, the bay at Hayes has obviously been extended to comfortably take an 8 car, but the sdo is set to only 7.?

All the other platforms, except Platform 1, can only take 7. Additional infrastructure, a Balise I think, is required to allow the train to identify the different platform length of the bay.

 

[Banana]

Station Lighting and safe method of dispatch using bodyside cameras. Doesn't apply to Connect (or Turbos) as they use station DOO equipment, not on-train.

Thanks. Why can't the Station DOO Equipment be used at Hanwell?

 

[swt_passenger]

Thanks. Why can't the Station DOO Equipment be used at Hanwell?

Might it not be set up for 8 car trains?

 

[JN114]

Thanks. Why can't the Station DOO Equipment be used at Hanwell?

The safety case for 387s only allows for DOO dispatch via on board CCTV or CD/RA.

 

[Banana]

The safety case for 387s only allows for DOO dispatch via on board CCTV or CD/RA.

Not by using the human eye straight down the side of a straight train (I agree that it does not apply at Hanwell)? Are you saying that 387s can ONLY be officially safely deployed if the on-board CCTVs are used, or someone else's eyeball ?

 

[Nippy]

Opened yesterday I believe
Currently there are a number of restrictions, all freight and 332 units are barred. Also the default route remains via the UR on the surface, you'll only get sent under the diveunder if there is a conflicting route set out of Acton Yard.

Yes, the default route is still Up Relief at present, however not quite strictly true about only using the Dive Under when a conflicting route is set. I and some of my colleagues will be using it most of the time just because we can!

 

[JN114]

Not by using the human eye straight down the side of a straight train (I agree that it does not apply at Hanwell)? Are you saying that 387s can ONLY be officially safely deployed if the on-board CCTVs are used, or someone else's eyeball ?

I need to check, because you're right - re-reading it doesn't quite chime right with me either - you can end up in a stalemate if DOO equipment fails en-route, and we've had that with the train continue forward ECS to North Pole. What I do, 100% know is it's an out of passenger service immediately (next/current station) defect if any of the on-train DOO equipment is defective.

As always, this is an Internet forum - I post here to give insight to interested enthusiasts - but I've been dragged to the limit of what I feel comfortable posting with this latest line of inquiry. Its a natural progression of the thread so it's not an issue that we got this far, but the above reached the limit of my knowledge now, and there are sniffs of a DOO debate brewing which I can not, and have no interest in commenting on. I'll clarify the dispatch method for GWR 387s for you but on the condition that that is what it is.

 

[spark001uk]

Yes I noticed the lighting at Hanwell is shall we say a little behind, old victorian style lantern posts!
Another weird thing I spotted today, the bay at Hayes has obviously been extended to comfortably take an 8 car, but the sdo is set to only 7.?

All the other platforms, except Platform 1, can only take 7. Additional infrastructure, a Balise I think, is required to allow the train to identify the different platform length of the bay.

It just dawned on me now I re-read this. When the Hayes shuttles used to go in on 3 and shunt over to 4, I'm sure all doors were opened.?

 

[Class377/5]

I need to check, because you're right - re-reading it doesn't quite chime right with me either - you can end up in a stalemate if DOO equipment fails en-route, and we've had that with the train continue forward ECS to North Pole. What I do, 100% know is it's an out of passenger service immediately (next/current station) defect if any of the on-train DOO equipment is defective.

As always, this is an Internet forum - I post here to give insight to interested enthusiasts - but I've been dragged to the limit of what I feel comfortable posting with this latest line of inquiry. Its a natural progression of the thread so it's not an issue that we got this far, but the above reached the limit of my knowledge now, and there are sniffs of a DOO debate brewing which I can not, and have no interest in commenting on. I'll clarify the dispatch method for GWR 387s for you but on the condition that that is what it is.

Also the fact that you can't look out of the window of an Electrostar from the drivers seat as its set back a bit meaning for dispatch purposes you need to get out of your seat to look back. Hence properly why GWR 387 safety case is you dispatch from DOO gear or dispatchers on platform (where available). I don't know the 387 case at all.

 

[louis97]

It just dawned on me now I re-read this. When the Hayes shuttles used to go in on 3 and shunt over to 4, I'm sure all doors were opened.?

I don't think they will have done, a 8 car 387 is around 160 metres long and platforms 3 and 4 according to the Sectional Appendix are only 146 and 139 metres long respectively. Platform 5 is now 177 metres long.

 

[DaveHarries]

One side of the introduction of these 387s will be that the 16x DMUs get transferred over to Bristol to see off the 150s, 153s and 158s. This morning I drove past the perimeter fence of St. Philips Marsh TMD and spotted a 3/166 parked up, no. 166215. No idea when it arrived. Anyone know if this is the first of the units to be transferred?

A photo taken from the public road (KFC) side of the boundary fence, can be found in this thread.
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=139840

Dave

 

[D365]

One side of the introduction of these 387s will be that the 16x DMUs get transferred over to Bristol to see off the 150s, 153s and 158s. This morning I drove past the perimeter fence of St. Philips Marsh TMD and spotted a 3/166 parked up, no. 166215. No idea when it arrived. Anyone know if this is the first of the units to be transferred?

There's a discussion relating to the Class 165/166 transfer that has just been started.

 

[DaveHarries]

There's a discussion relating to the Class 165/166 transfer that has just been started.

Cheers. Link in my post on the previous page now replaced with a link to the thread you mention.

Dave

 

[QueensCurve]

No different to BR.

Indeed not.

I recall being long delayed in the mid 1970s somewhere between Rugby and Roade on a Class 87 hauled train. The train in front had failed.

After a while we were authorised to push it through. We moved forward only to find the train in front was vacuum braked and so the Class 87 was incompatible.

 

[spark001uk]

Yes, the default route is still Up Relief at present, however not quite strictly true about only using the Dive Under when a conflicting route is set. I and some of my colleagues will be using it most of the time just because we can!

I see the UR is showing as shut, does that mean dive-under for all traffic now then?

 

[JN114]

I see the UR is showing as shut, does that mean dive-under for all traffic now then?

It's only shut due to a track circuit failure, Up Relief will re-open once fault is fixed.

 

[spark001uk]

It's only shut due to a track circuit failure, Up Relief will re-open once fault is fixed.

Ah right ok cheers for clarifying.

I see the diagrams have the West Ealing electric sidings drawn in now. Saw them when I passed the other day too, coming along well. What's the capacity, 3x12car?

 

[Nippy]

Sidings 2&3 are 2x16 car.

There is only space for 12 cars at the CET tanks.

With regard the Diveunder, every train is booked through there, although, we currently have an instruction to only use as required (and as 332s and freight are barred it gets minimal use). Luckily, if a reminder is used on SN.190 at the East end of the Dive Under, the ARS automatically routes via the Up a Relief.

Also the name of the line has been changed, it is no longer known as the Acton Relief, but now the Acton Diveunder Line.

 

[spark001uk]

What's the barring on the freight and 332s that the turbos and 387s aren't affected by, is it to do with clearance or weight or something?

 

[MatthewRead]

Do the C2C units have weekend diagrams?

 

[Kite159]

Do the C2C units have weekend diagrams?

Nope, weekdays only (as far as I'm aware)

 

[chris11256]

Do the C2C units have weekend diagrams?

They spend their spare time in Shoebury carriage sidings. Strangely they return to Shoebury after AM Peak journey, then run empty back to Fenchurch street for PM peak.

 

[MatthewRead]

Will they get any weekend diagrams seem like such a waste otherwise.

 

[chris11256]

Will they get any weekend diagrams seem like such a waste otherwise.

No. Strictly peak use only. Think the lease limits their annual mileage.

 

[racyrich]

They spend their spare time in Shoebury carriage sidings. Strangely they return to Shoebury after AM Peak journey, then run empty back to Fenchurch street for PM peak.

They're in service on their a.m. return run.

 

[Class 170101]

No. Strictly peak use only. Think the lease limits their annual mileage.

The lease indeed limits their annual mileage. I wouldn't say its the best use of brand new trains though.