222101 & 222102 to move to EMT this week

[P156KWJ]

rather annoyingly went to see 101 last night at Derby but thought it had been caped, so left on the 20:10 train

 

[John_158]

Yeh they have probably hidden it / them away !

 

[1D53]

rather annoyingly went to see 101 last night at Derby but thought it had been caped, so left on the 20:10 train

Good job you didnt wake, didn't make it through till nearly 11

 

[P156KWJ]

Good job you didnt wake, didn't make it through till nearly 11

wondered if it had passed me whilst I was in the first class lounge, would rather keep warm and grab some biscuits and watch telly than wait for a unit which didn't seem to be arriving

 

[eastmidschris]

That IS a bit later than planned, I can see why people would have thought I was fibbing!
It's good news that's it's finally arrived, the rumours of these transferring have been going on for ages, so it's good that something has actually happened.

 

[222001]

That IS a bit later than planned, I can see why people would have thought I was fibbing!
It's good news that's it's finally arrived, the rumours of these transferring have been going on for ages, so it's good that something has actually happened.

Hi, first of all thanks for posting the comments on my website. Do you know when abouts 222104 will be joining EMT?

 

[John_158]

Basicly once it is repaired which from what i remeber reading it will not be untill the nd of this year 2009 ior early 2010.

 

[Max]

Max - how about a bloody TRUST machine and an email from NWR TPC with the move booked on it.

Gordon Brown unable to countersign my message due to being busy.

I don't think there's any need to be stroppy. I'm sorry if I doubted you, I'm just surprised this has all happened with little public announcement. Frankly, I don't know if you're using trust, people have been onto this very forum before and made up rubbish relating to Hull Trains operations.

Thanks for posting the information on the forums though, it's appreciated - I was just surprised more than doubtful!

 

[eastmidschris]

Hi, first of all thanks for posting the comments on my website. Do you know when abouts 222104 will be joining EMT?

Can't help you there yet, I'm afraid. If I hear anything I'll leave a note on your site again. Hopefully 222102 will make it tomorrow a little earlier!
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Basicly once it is repaired which from what i remeber reading it will not be untill the nd of this year 2009 ior early 2010.

John, I think you're referring to 222103 which is the one dropped by Bombardier. The last I heard was that this was due to be completed in March time, but I may be wrong!

 

[222001]

Hull Trains are using 180109? That isn't one of the four that they had allocated to them in the first place! 180110, 180111, 180113 and 180114 they were.
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Found a picture of 222101 on www.locoscene.co.uk thanks to "retrorailways". You can't see it unless you login. Login using "guest" as username and "locoscene" as password. Then put this URL in your browser - http://www.locoscene.co.uk/showPic.php?pic=73090

 

[P156KWJ]

added 222101 to the database of mine

 

[222001]

Do 222/1s have SDO?

 

[MCR247]

oooh good question

That you might not get an answer to!

 

[Pumbaa]

Do 222/1s have SDO?

On the premise of they're only going to be used for Corby's, I don't think they need it. Putting common sense into the equation though, you'd hope they'd be doubled up at some times. So let's hope so!

 

[222001]

On the premise of they're only going to be used for Corby's, I don't think they need it. Putting common sense into the equation though, you'd hope they'd be doubled up at some times. So let's hope so!

Hmm Corby diagrams share with Sheffield diagrams currently. Will this stop when the service finally runs London-Corby? If not then perhaps these the Pioneers could be used on Derby services instead as a 4 car train to Sheffield will not be enough.

Why do Corby / Sheffield diagrams share anyway? Is it becuase the Sheffield service gets in at xx:34 and this isn't enough time to turn the set around for the xx:55 departure?

 

[eastmidschris]

On the premise of they're only going to be used for Corby's, I don't think they need it. Putting common sense into the equation though, you'd hope they'd be doubled up at some times. So let's hope so!

I don't think they'll be used directly for the Corby's, more of a cascade effect to allow 5-cars to be used instead. I would imagine 4-cars will be used more often where you have 2x5cars coupled together giving 9 cars instead of 10 for instance.
Don't think they have SDO at the moment, but I guess if what I've said above is to happen they will have to have it installed.

 

[Edvid]

As much as I like 'my' 10-car Meridian formations, I reckon 9-car formations by and large would cope just fine.

Found a picture of 222101 on www.locoscene.co.uk thanks to "retrorailways". You can't see it unless you login. Login using "guest" as username and "locoscene" as password. Then put this URL in your browser - http://www.locoscene.co.uk/showPic.php?pic=73090

Or even better, select this direct link to the picture itself. No login required.

 

[Kneedown]

Just to clear up any confusion, there is, as of at least 13.45 this afternoon when i saw it for myself, an HT Pioneer on Etches Park. Can't confirm number though. Anyone travelling on train from Nott's to Derby can catch a glimpse as it's stabled right next to the sheds, adjacent to the mainline (I think they're called the "S road" sidings, but i may be wrong, i don't sign inside Etches yet!) Keep your eyes out as soon as you cross Deadmans Lane bridge and you'll see it.

A complete waste sending them on the Corby's though as i've said elsewhere. Get em on the Liverpools where the capacity is really needed. A 153 shuttling between Corby and Kettering would do for that service, and also it doesn't matter as much if a 153 gets trashed, which it would down there!

 

[P156KWJ]

Just to clear up any confusion, there is, as of at least 13.45 this afternoon when i saw it for myself, an HT Pioneer on Etches Park. Can't confirm number though. Anyone travelling on train from Nott's to Derby can catch a glimpse as it's stabled right next to the sheds, adjacent to the mainline (I think they're called the "S road" sidings, but i may be wrong, i don't sign inside Etches yet!) Keep your eyes out as soon as you cross Deadmans Lane bridge and you'll see it.

A complete waste sending them on the Corby's though as i've said elsewhere. Get em on the Liverpools where the capacity is really needed. A 153 shuttling between Corby and Kettering would do for that service, and also it doesn't matter as much if a 153 gets trashed, which it would down there!

send 153321, that's a heap so it'd suit it if it was trashed (well, it's a bit better thanks to it not being in grotty HoW livery anymore )

 

[eastmidschris]

The only prob with putting the 222s on the Liverpool - Norwich is that the four cars don't really have any more capacity than a 2-car 158 believe it or not. You'd need a 5-car to make any progress at least.
Perhaps a better solution would be to put a 4-car on a less busy LIV-NRW service thereby releasing an extra 158 on another busier service.
Personally I think a single 158 would be fine for the Corby branch, perhaps a Kettering to Leicester via Corby service?

 

[P156KWJ]

The only prob with putting the 222s on the Liverpool - Norwich is that the four cars don't really have any more capacity than a 2-car 158 believe it or not. You'd need a 5-car to make any progress at least.
Perhaps a better solution would be to put a 4-car on a less busy LIV-NRW service thereby releasing an extra 158 on another busier service.
Personally I think a single 158 would be fine for the Corby branch, perhaps a Kettering to Leicester via Corby service?

surely if first class is decomissioned then it would ahve more?

 

[222001]

Personally I think a single 158 would be fine for the Corby branch, perhaps a Kettering to Leicester via Corby service?

I think that would be a good idea too. Only one 222 is needed to finally extend the service to Corby. Hopefully for the others one can be used to boost services and extend the Derby service to Sheffield with another one being a spare.

 

[richa2002]

People seem to be missing the point that a direct Corby to London service is what is specified and not just a shuttle service which proved to be unsuccessful in the past so a 90mph 158 on a 110mph mainline isn't really suitable unfortunately.

 

[Kneedown]

The only prob with putting the 222s on the Liverpool - Norwich is that the four cars don't really have any more capacity than a 2-car 158 believe it or not. You'd need a 5-car to make any progress at least.
Perhaps a better solution would be to put a 4-car on a less busy LIV-NRW service thereby releasing an extra 158 on another busier service.
Personally I think a single 158 would be fine for the Corby branch, perhaps a Kettering to Leicester via Corby service?

They may not have any more SEATS, but overall capacity is much greater than a 2car set. More space for luggage, prams, shopping bags etc, and more space for standing passengers.
The only problem as such, remains the fact that a 222 cannot utilise higher Sprinter differential speed limits, as is the case with the 185's, however the much faster acceleration and better braking of a 222 negates this niggle.
Sorry for going a little off thread.
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People seem to be missing the point that a direct Corby to London service is what is specified and not just a shuttle service which proved to be unsuccessful in the past so a 90mph 158 on a 110mph mainline isn't really suitable unfortunately.

Improvements to the Liverpool service were also specified but they aint gonna happen!
They should make the very best use of available resources. Corby isn't exactly the heart of the commuter belt, let alone the centre of the universe, and so a direct service to London will more than likely be even less successful than than the previous shuttle service.

If you really REALLY did need direct service to London from Corby, then stick a 158 on it, and turn it slow line at Bedford. Wouldnt get in anyones way then!

 

[richa2002]

It would need to get past stopping 319s somehow.

 

[WillPS]

I've made the point several times that Norwich - Liverpool should be taking precedence over this silly service to a tiny weeny town! Still, wont happen until at least the next timetable change, because the times particularly at the Norfolk end of the journey would have to be retimed.

Either way I think the Meridians are ultimately destined for this route, if not in the next year or so then whenever electrification of the Midlands Main Line occurs.

 

[Techniquest]

They should make the very best use of available resources. Corby isn't exactly the heart of the commuter belt, let alone the centre of the universe

Corby isn't the centre of the universe, but it does go to The Centre Of The Universe so considered extremely vital...

Liverpool Lime Street to Norwich doesn't touch anywhere within The Centre Of The Universe, so doesn't matter. Much like the Arriva Main Line, Penzance to Aberdeen, TransPennine Express and seemingly everywhere else. As much as I dislike the class, a 222 would be nice to see on a Norwich to Liverpool working, if only to stop the people who use the services on that route moaning.

I wasn't going to post on this thread, but thought I'd add my tuppence. What originally got me posting was Miles' post about 153321, my reply to which is:

OI! Leave the Heart of Wales livery alone. It looked good, MUCH nicer than the Aquafresh livery they've now ruined the poor thing with. Same applies to 153311. The Regional Railways livery I could tolerate quite happily, but the Aquafresh livery...*shudders*

 

[222001]

There is another picture of 222101 on Locoscene. It has moved and been given a clean! - http://www.locoscene.co.uk/showPic.php?pic=73117 Sorry I don't know how to directly link to the picture so you can only see it by logging in.

 

[90019]

I would guess right click on the pic, select, 'view image' and then paste the URL from there.

 

[me123]

Here you go.

What you do is right click and select "copy image address".