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ryson357

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First 1 (WSM - Sand Bay: Withdrawn) attacked by CMS 100
First 3 (Searle Crescent - Worle: Reduced timetable) attacked by CMS 103
First 5 (Uphill - Worle: Withdrawn but reappearing) attacked by CMS 105
First 7 (Oldmixon - Worle) recent attack by CMS 107 & with newer vechicles
First 14 (WSM - Worle: Withdrawn) attacked by CMS 16 and then 14 (I think, needs clarifying)

It's about time First upped their game, they will need to provide better quality of services and maybe a fresh brand against Crosville, especially by gradual attacks on all town services!
 
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First 1 (WSM - Sand Bay: Withdrawn) attacked by CMS 100
First 3 (Searle Crescent - Worle: Reduced timetable) attacked by CMS 103
First 5 (Uphill - Worle: Withdrawn but reappearing) attacked by CMS 105
First 7 (Oldmixon - Worle) recent attack by CMS 107 & with newer vechicles
First 14 (WSM - Worle: Withdrawn) attacked by CMS 16 and then 14 (I think, needs clarifying)

It's about time First upped their game, they will need to provide better quality of services and maybe a fresh brand against Crosville, especially by gradual attacks on all town services!

16 was a developer funded service. first did run 13 and 14 around locking castle before cosville came along but i think both were funded by developer money too.
 

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Who ran the 4 after first stopped running it? Was it crosville or another operator first?
 

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No wonder why Edwards are taking over from South Glos Bus and Coach for National Express, Drivers are awful especially when driving the old 1990s Olympians....
 

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No wonder why Edwards are taking over from South Glos Bus and Coach for National Express, Drivers are awful especially when driving the old 1990s Olympians....

Roger is retiring, no doubt current NX drivers will Tupe across? I was always under the impression NX were separate to other duties at SGBC anyway?
 

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No wonder why Edwards are taking over from South Glos Bus and Coach for National Express, Drivers are awful especially when driving the old 1990s Olympians....

I'm sure Natex would say something if an Olympian turned up on the 040 whatever the driver was doing!
 

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Roger is retiring, no doubt current NX drivers will Tupe across? I was always under the impression NX were separate to other duties at SGBC anyway?

I don't really know but I have had some drivers on both schools services and NX services in the past.
 

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When did First give up the National Express work? I can remember the first time I got the 40 to London it was operated by First.

First Bath operated the 403 Bath London service but lost it (or did they want to give it up?) in August 2010.
 

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First Bath operated the 403 Bath London service but lost it (or did they want to give it up?) in August 2010.

Think you may be right. Bit of scooting around of Flickr suggests the 403 went in Oct 2010 and the 040 might have been 2007.

Time doesn't fly as much as I thought!

Seem to recall that First lost it but, at that time, they weren't exactly competitive in their pricing.
 

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Think you may be right. Bit of scooting around of Flickr suggests the 403 went in Oct 2010 and the 040 might have been 2007.

Time doesn't fly as much as I thought!

Seem to recall that First lost it but, at that time, they weren't exactly competitive in their pricing.

I don't know the official changeover date but I quoted August 2010 because I have a note the remaining coaches (20516/35/40/1/8) were withdrawn that month.
I did wonder at that time if it was FirstBus central policy to discontinue all Nat Ex work. But then again perhaps I was just being cynical!
 

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I don't know the official changeover date but I quoted August 2010 because I have a note the remaining coaches (20516/35/40/1/8) were withdrawn that month.
I did wonder at that time if it was FirstBus central policy to discontinue all Nat Ex work. But then again perhaps I was just being cynical!

Probably unrealistic margin expectations for First.

When I worked for NatEx, First did a lot of work with WN and SWT. Badgerline did the 403. However, Wessex did the 040 and others but also had outbases at Birmingham (Digbeth) and Chelmsford (perhaps because the First businesses there didn't fancy it).

That said, Stagecoach and Arriva didn't do much either.
 

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http://www.bridgwatermercury.co.uk/news/15073635.EDF_funds_new_Minehead_to_Bridgwater_bus

EDF Energy has agreed to fund a free community bus service from Bridgwater to Minehead.

The service, which launched today (Monday 6 February), fills some of the gap left when the Webberbus ceased to trade late last year and has followed lengthy discussions between EDF Energy, local communities and local bus companies.

The service will run during the day, Monday to Friday, calling at Blue Anchor, Doniford, Kilve, Holford, Stogursey, Nether Stowey and Combwich; initially for 12 months.

The service will be operated by Somerset Passenger Solutions (SPS), the Hinkley Point C bus provider.

Somerset County Council’s transport team has been helping liaise between partners and communities to develop the new service.*

Councillor David Fothergill, cabinet member for highways said: “This is exactly the kind of partnership working and creative thinking that we need to solve some of the rural transport issues we face.

“The loss of Webberbus has been a real challenge and we simply do not have the money to step in and subsidise services. This new service is the result of a lot of discussion between many parties and I’m delighted that our transport staff have played a role in making it happen.

“We have worked hard with EDF Energy and other local bus operators to ensure that this route does not impact on the viability of other local bus routes. In order to maintain the stability and sustainability of the bus network in West Somerset passengers will only be able to get on the free bus in locations where there are no alternative commercial services. We are grateful for the co-operation of all involved.”

David Eccles, head of stakeholder engagement for EDF Energy’s Hinkley Point C, said: “It’s a real pleasure to be providing this new bus service which will make a big difference to the lives of local people.

"Delivering tangible opportunities for people across Sedgemoor and West Somerset is a real priority for the Hinkley Point C team and it’s great to see this bus project move from the drawing board and onto the road.”

Jo Pavely, contract and operations director for SPS, said: "We are very pleased that EDF Energy is able to support this valuable community bus link, and as the provider of all transport services to EDF Energy for the construction of Hinkley Point C, Somerset Passenger Solutions is delighted to operate the service"

There will be three buses from Minehead to Bridgwater, leaving Minehead at 10am, 11.30am and 1pm.

The service will also feature three buses from Bridgwater to Minehead, which will leave Bridgwater at 10am, 11.30am and 1pm.

If bus passengers have any travel questions, the Bus Service helpline 01278 557 001 is available.
 
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Martin2012

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When did First give up the National Express work? I can remember the first time I got the 40 to London it was operated by First.

First stopped doing the 200 Bristol to Gatwick service in September/October 2008, the 302 from Bristol to Northapton in June 2009 and the 040 Bristol to London service in early January 2010. They also stopped doing the 318 Bristol to Liverpool and 460 London to Stratford Upon Avon from the same date.

I think 1st August 2010 was when SGBC took over the 402 and 403 services and then they stopped doing the 222 service in November 2010

Also for anyone interested SGBC have been operating on the 040 since March 2007(and before that they did dupes)although they only worked additional weekend journeys prior to January 2010.
 

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First 1 (WSM - Sand Bay: Withdrawn) attacked by CMS 100
First 3 (Searle Crescent - Worle: Reduced timetable) attacked by CMS 103
First 5 (Uphill - Worle: Withdrawn but reappearing) attacked by CMS 105
First 7 (Oldmixon - Worle) recent attack by CMS 107 & with newer vechicles
First 14 (WSM - Worle: Withdrawn) attacked by CMS 16 and then 14 (I think, needs clarifying)

It's about time First upped their game, they will need to provide better quality of services and maybe a fresh brand against Crosville, especially by gradual attacks on all town services!

I can understand why you think Crosville attacked First Bus but in a way living on the route 3 having two different every 20 minute buses than just one! I don't like the way Crosville always seem to set there timetable to run 2-3 minutes before or after the first bus though!
I'm all a keen fan of the Crosville 107! Connections more of the city that the route 7, for example people in the Coronation estate can easy get to Asda by bus as well as people living in the Oldmixon!
And I can't really see the problem with Crosville taking over routes dumped by First, it's better than nothing!

I also think its good on First Bus for have a comeback on Crosville with the 5! But I thought Crosville already ran a route 5?
 
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WM depot will surely be the busiest of the four country depots soon if reports are to be believed. I make it fifteen services, (popular ones too), unless of course they end up deciding hand over their 126 board to WS.
 

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WM depot will surely be the busiest of the four country depots soon if reports are to be believed. I make it fifteen services, (popular ones too), unless of course they end up deciding hand over their 126 board to WS.

Depends on what buses they use on the new route 5 then! There are always a few streetlites spare on depot most days!
 

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I wonder if the 39/X39 will change along the lines of the X1/X1A and X3/X4. Where neither are actually a direct service but both take minor detours.
 

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I wonder if the 39/X39 will change along the lines of the X1/X1A and X3/X4. Where neither are actually a direct service but both take minor detours.

Is there really any point? The X39 is the quickest which makes sense and the 39 takes a tonne of detours! I would prefer the X39 being the same as it is as its a long drag anyway!
 

vicbury

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I wonder if the 39/X39 will change along the lines of the X1/X1A and X3/X4. Where neither are actually a direct service but both take minor detours.

I really don't see that happening, at least certainly not during peak times. It would be annoying as the previous proposal (on here) of making it limited stop.
 

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