Luggage Storage On Trains

[SpacePhoenix]

Splitting this off from: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2974135&postcount=98

Where do you propose bags go if all the luggage storage areas are full? If it's a suitcase it's either it goes on a seat or blocks the gangway

Under a seat, in the vestibule area, stacking on top of other cases...

Have you ever even travelled in a Voyager?

Stacking on top of other cases could be dangerous if they're not stacked securely, the one on top could fall off and injure someone. Under a seat is only viable if it fits all the way under otherwise it renders the seat unusable. Inside the vestibule i believe is technically not allowed

 

[Greenback]

It's possible top stack some bags on others without a great deal of risk. Some of the suitcases with curved bodies are probably some of the worst to stack.

I do get annoyed sometimes with the lack of consideration shown by those who stick smaller bags in the racks instead of on the overhead racks. I've been on some trains where the big racks have been full to bursting but the overheads hardly had a bag on them.

 

[jimm]

It's possible top stack some bags on others without a great deal of risk. Some of the suitcases with curved bodies are probably some of the worst to stack.

I do get annoyed sometimes with the lack of consideration shown by those who stick smaller bags in the racks instead of on the overhead racks. I've been on some trains where the big racks have been full to bursting but the overheads hardly had a bag on them.

Unfortunately, not all overhead racks are equal. On the Class 180s there isn't enough space to get most small suitcases between them and the roof, so everyone with anything much bigger than a shoulder bag makes a beeline for the stacks.

 

[Dave1987]

People travel with luggage nowadays? I thought the only people who travel by train were commuters

 

[route:oxford]

Under a seat is only viable if it fits all the way under otherwise it renders the seat unusable. Inside the vestibule i believe is technically not allowed

I took the X90 to London on Friday morning. As always, my standard size cabin bag:-

http://www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_36536+T44335_-1

Tucked under my seat with no impact on my footspace.

65 Comfortable seats with plenty of hand luggage storage beneath the seat, space for smaller bags in the overhead, one wheelchair space and a decent lavatory for confident ambulators all within a 15 metre long envelope.

It can be done quite easily with a bit of planning.

 

[Bletchleyite]

A standard IATA cabin bag (the only standard there is, really) is 56x45x25cm. That is much smaller.

Re the overheads the trend for small ones has gone, and Pendolino ones take an IATA bag, as do Desiro ones. Some stock still has small racks, though - it's another reason the Class 170 is an inferior quality train.

 

[edwin_m]

Re the overheads the trend for small ones has gone, and Pendolino ones take an IATA bag, as do Desiro ones. Some stock still has small racks, though - it's another reason the Class 170 is an inferior quality train.

The most useless overhead racks in my experience are those on class 22x units, which won't even take my laptop rucksack when it's full so are unlikely to take an IATA bag. I have no problem getting the same backpack into the rack on a 170.

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

I took the X90 to London on Friday morning. As always, my standard size cabin bag:-

http://www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_36536+T44335_-1

Tucked under my seat with no impact on my footspace.

65 Comfortable seats with plenty of hand luggage storage beneath the seat, space for smaller bags in the overhead, one wheelchair space and a decent lavatory for confident ambulators all within a 15 metre long envelope.

It can be done quite easily with a bit of planning.

But does it not impact on the footspace of the person behind?

 

[DerekC]

I took the X90 to London on Friday morning. As always, my standard size cabin bag:-

http://www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_36536+T44335_-1

Tucked under my seat with no impact on my footspace.

65 Comfortable seats with plenty of hand luggage storage beneath the seat, space for smaller bags in the overhead, one wheelchair space and a decent lavatory for confident ambulators all within a 15 metre long envelope.

It can be done quite easily with a bit of planning.

X90? Is that a new class of rolling stock?

 

[455driver]

X90? Is that a new class of rolling stock?

I thought it was a Volvo!

Oh wait thats an XC90 isnt it!

 

[route:oxford]

But does it not impact on the footspace of the person behind?

No, the footrest prevents the bag sliding any further back.

X90? Is that a new class of rolling stock?

It's the alternative to taking The Tube into London from Oxford.

There's nothing to stop different modes of transport considering how the seating and ambience of their key competitors compares to their own product. Unless it's a railway company considering lie-flat seats as found in aircraft - as clearly it can be more dangerous to use lie-flat seats on ground transport that operates at 90mph compared to at 600+ mph in the air.

 

[Bungle965]

X90? Is that a new class of rolling stock?

No, it`s a coach route from Oxford to London.
Sam

 

[D365]

Stacking on top of other cases could be dangerous if they're not stacked securely, the one on top could fall off and injure someone. Under a seat is only viable if it fits all the way under otherwise it renders the seat unusable. Inside the vestibule i believe is technically not allowed

Yes, and luggage on seats is also not allowed. I see luggage being stacked all the time when I'm travelling on a Voyager. As long as it's done properly there's no more issue with stacked cases than there is putting bags in the overhead racks.

If I'm travelling on a particularly crowded Voyager, which let's face it, is any time of the day, I know I'd be pretty cheesed off if I saw suitcases being placed on seats. Since they're limited stop trains, it's not a great hardship.

 

[DerekC]

(X90 is) the alternative to taking The Tube into London from Oxford..

That'll be an extension to the Central Line, then? Seems we have a rather Oxford-centric view of what everyone else is supposed to know.

 

[gsnedders]

I do get annoyed sometimes with the lack of consideration shown by those who stick smaller bags in the racks instead of on the overhead racks. I've been on some trains where the big racks have been full to bursting but the overheads hardly had a bag on them.

When I came up from London to Glasgow last week, with the racks full I got asked by various elderly people if I could help them put their bags up given I was just about the only person in the 1st Class coach that could even reach (and was on the train the whole way, so there'd definitely be someone who could reach to get them down).

Heck, there's plenty of people of full mobility who simply can't reach up: it's not just lack of consideration for some!

 

[theageofthetra]

Its long overdue we get some sort of affordable luggage forwarding service in the UK like Japan has. Their ststem is so sensible & you very rarely see anyone taking anything other than a small airline carry on case on public transport. The railway used to have luggage forwarding many years ago and it would be great to get it back.

 

[BlueFox]

Its long overdue we get some sort of affordable luggage forwarding service in the UK like Japan has. Their ststem is so sensible & you very rarely see anyone taking anything other than a small airline carry on case on public transport. The railway used to have luggage forwarding many years ago and it would be great to get it back.

Virgin launched their "Bag Magic" luggage delivery service in 2014. It lasted less than two years before they closed it down.

 

[plymothian]

Why pay, when you can get someone to carry your bag using passenger assistance for free, and if they don't turn up because they're attending to someone in a wheelchair, you get your full fare refunded.

Sorry OT rant.

Anyway luggage space is a compromise between seats and storage - more luggage space/bike space = fewer seats. Plus passengers now like to bring bigger and bigger and more and more luggage well beyond that specified in the NRCoT.

 

[route:oxford]

That'll be an extension to the Central Line, then? Seems we have a rather Oxford-centric view of what everyone else is supposed to know.

Not really. It's not unusual in these forums to compare and contrast multimodal service provision across the regions. In the Scottish thread at the moment the provider "Citylink" is often mentioned - in rUK that's a failed parcel delivery co.

The Metropolitan line was the closest underground service to the Dreaming Spires when it reached Brill. If it had made it a bit further it may well have reached Headington or central Oxford and the traffic dynamic in the city would be fundamentally different now.

For luggage, BA have a forwarding service in London. I believe that Collect+ offer something similar across the regions.

 

[LiftFan]

I do miss the days of the A stock and their luggage racks to be able to put small bags on. I guess these days it is too much of a risk for the Underground to take...

 

[Ash Bridge]

Virgin launched their "Bag Magic" luggage delivery service in 2014. It lasted less than two years before they closed it down.

We used it on two occasions and it was very good at £24:99 next day delivery for a up to 25kg suitcase return trip, then all of a sudden last year the price rose to £32:00 one way, can't have been many takers after a price hike such as that!

 

[theageofthetra]

We used it on two occasions and it was very good at £24:99 next day delivery for a up to 25kg suitcase return trip, then all of a sudden last year the price rose to £32:00 one way, can't have been many takers after a price hike such as that!

Costs less than half that to send a decent sized suitcase in Japan. The places you can drop it off are almost on every block in cities and even small town & villages have them.

 

[Ash Bridge]

Costs less than half that to send a decent sized suitcase in Japan. The places you can drop it off are almost on every block in cities and even small town & villages have them.

That does sound like an excellent service I must admit.

 

[TUC]

We used it on two occasions and it was very good at £24:99 next day delivery for a up to 25kg suitcase return trip, then all of a sudden last year the price rose to £32:00 one way, can't have been many takers after a price hike such as that!

Do you really think that most people would want to pay £24.99 on top of their rail ticket? I certainly wouldn't.

 

[TUC]

That'll be an extension to the Central Line, then? Seems we have a rather Oxford-centric view of what everyone else is supposed to know.

Makes a change from a London-centric view that assumes everyone knows where the Central Line is.

 

[Ash Bridge]

Do you really think that most people would want to pay £24.99 on top of their rail ticket? I certainly wouldn't.

I never suggested most people would do, but do consider that at that price the suitcase(s) was collected from your home and delivered to the door of your destination (holiday accommodation in our case) plus the hassle & stress of dragging it around the station and on/off the train is removed makes it (at least to us) good value for money, it seems even better value aswell when compared to what so called 'no frills' airlines charge these days for merely stowing a case in the aircrafts hold.

 

[theageofthetra]

That does sound like an excellent service I must

It is and is highly recommended to anyone using public transport there.

 

[johnnychips]

Splitting this off from: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2974135&postcount=98





Stacking on top of other cases could be dangerous if they're not stacked securely, the one on top could fall off and injure someone.

In some Japanese trains there are 'seat belts' for cases in the luggage space at the end of the carriage. Nobody bothered using them.

 

[kevjs]

When I came up from London to Glasgow last week, with the racks full I got asked by various elderly people if I could help them put their bags up given I was just about the only person in the 1st Class coach that could even reach (and was on the train the whole way, so there'd definitely be someone who could reach to get them down).

Heck, there's plenty of people of full mobility who simply can't reach up: it's not just lack of consideration for some!

Not just me that ends up putting up/taking down shed loads of bags then. And EMT really need to give there's a clean a bit more frequently - plenty of tickets, receipts, fluff and similar at the back of them sometimes.

One of the Northern wrecks I had to travel on a couple of years ago (when returning from Manchester Airport via Preston) had one redeeming feature - an absolute shed loads of storage space on it (I reckon you could have got a row of 20 suitcases in there) - the drafts, filthy seats, leaking windows and general feeling of decay were less good of course. Not sure if there were intentionally that much luggage space or just a lack of seats to fit in it?

 

[6Gman]

I used PLA (Passenger Luggage in Advance) many years ago.

Case arrived with a bloody big hole in it.

Not impressed.

Would be even less impressed if, for example, I turned up for my Cornish holiday and my case didn't ...