Liverpool Lime St remodelling

[50032]

Northern services are terminating at Hunts Cross (CLC) and St Helens Junction (Chat Moss).

Would imagine the 4th track at Huyton will be commissioned that week then.

 

[Nean]

Northern services are terminating at Hunts Cross (CLC) and St Helens Junction (Chat Moss).

Would imagine the 4th track at Huyton will be commissioned that week then.

I'm guessing that they're going to put the terminating services in the Headshunt at Hunts Cross to let the express services from parkway pass?

 

[Geeves]

Seems as though they are coming in on two and standing on two with a train passing through them like a ghost . They must be shunting. Wonder when the headshunt was last used?

 

[urbophile]

Weren't there supposed to be additional Merseyrail trains running non-stop from Parkway to Central etc?

 

[8A Rail]

Some timings are now on RTT for the blockade. Heres South Parkway for the Monday.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/LPY/2017/10/02/0600-2000?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

The Virgin services look like they head towards Liverpool out of platform 4 then turnround and head back through the station non stop.

Thank you for the link to the Monday timetable which has proved to be interesting. If you look closer, the "Biomass" trains are being rerouted via LSP and Runcorn - also travelling fast line too, so suggesting Bootle Branch line open as normal.

 

[M28361M]

Weren't there supposed to be additional Merseyrail trains running non-stop from Parkway to Central etc?

Yes, there were. Perhaps the Merseyrail timetables have not been finalised and loaded into the system yet.

Will be interesting if the Merseyrail strikes continue through to the autumn and are still going on during the blockade.

 

[MichaelAMW]

Some timings are now on RTT for the blockade. Heres South Parkway for the Monday.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/LPY/2017/10/02/0600-2000?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

The Virgin services look like they head towards Liverpool out of platform 4 then turnround and head back through the station non stop.

So does that mean they come in from London and terminate on the down slow, whose platform (4) is being temporarily extended for the duration, and then leave from the same platform for London, which requires a reversal north of the station because 4 isn't reversible for a southbound departure?

 

[8A Rail]

So does that mean they come in from London and terminate on the down slow, whose platform (4) is being temporarily extended for the duration, and then leave from the same platform for London, which requires a reversal north of the station because 4 isn't reversible for a southbound departure?

Yes! The crossover is north of the station hence 5 minutes stay at the signal for the crossover to allow driver to move positions.

The first crossover on the down slow line after LSP going south is pass Speke Junction near to Garston Car Terminal and that section would be not bi-directional as far as I am aware

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Yes! The crossover is north of the station hence 5 minutes stay at the signal for the crossover to allow driver to move positions.
The first crossover on the down slow line after LSP going south is pass Speke Junction near to Garston Car Terminal and that section would be not bi-directional as far as I am aware

Well, I'll ask the question: will these routes be bi-di after the resignalling or is it just being done like-for-like?
The construction of a major interchange at Allerton/Parkway was not on the cards when the line was last resignalled for the original electrification in 1962.
In fact at that time hardly anything moved between the LNWR and CLC routes.

 

[louis97]

Seems as though they are coming in on two and standing on two with a train passing through them like a ghost . They must be shunting. Wonder when the headshunt was last used?

The passing train is from Manchester having just followed the stopper. No shunting involved in the 5-6 minutes turnarounds.

Well, I'll ask the question: will these routes be bi-di after the resignalling or is it just being done like-for-like?
The construction of a major interchange at Allerton/Parkway was not on the cards when the line was last resignalled for the original electrification in 1962.
In fact at that time hardly anything moved between the LNWR and CLC routes.

Like for like almost in this area.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

Merseytravel now have a page about the Lime Street work, with some quite useful links:

http://www.merseytravel.gov.uk/travel-updates/Pages/Lime-Street-Upgrade.aspx

 

[DJH1971]

Merseytravel now have a page about the Lime Street work, with some quite useful links:

http://www.merseytravel.gov.uk/travel-updates/Pages/Lime-Street-Upgrade.aspx

So it will be only be a total closure of 9 days after all, if you are travelling from St Helens.

Feel a bit more relieved now.

 

[Polarbear]

I think this must be one of the few times where I've seen the rail industry advertise a competitor mode of transport as an alternative to get around the engineering works;

Coach
Taking a coach service is another alternative during the Lime St works.
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National Express and Megabus operate services to and from Liverpool and other locations across the Liverpool City Region. For more information visit the National Express or Megabus websites.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

So it will be only be a total closure of 9 days after all, if you are travelling from St Helens.

It looks like a full service via Huyton from Monday October 9.
There don't seem to be any diverted Virgin services, so VT must have decided to stick with the South Parkway reversal throughout the blockade, rather than diverting via Warrington BQ into Lime St.

PS Actually there is one VT service, an ECS from Edge Hill to Preston, via Golborne.
I don't recall a routeing like this before, they normally run via Crewe.

 

[driver_m]

It looks like a full service via Huyton from Monday October 9.
There don't seem to be any diverted Virgin services, so VT must have decided to stick with the South Parkway reversal throughout the blockade, rather than diverting via Warrington BQ into Lime St.

PS Actually there is one VT service, an ECS from Edge Hill to Preston, via Golborne.
I don't recall a routeing like this before, they normally run via Crewe.

Runs every Sunday.

 

[LDECRexile]

There was a notice up at Liverpool South Parkway yesterday which mentioned platform extension work there.

Is this related to the blockade or some other plan?

 

[Nean]

There was a notice up at Liverpool South Parkway yesterday which mentioned platform extension work there.

Is this related to the blockade or some other plan?

Unless something more permanent has been announced it's a temporary extension to platform 4 to allow Pendolinos to terminate whilst Lime Street is closed (see about 3 pages previous in the thread).

 

[8A Rail]

Yes! The crossover is north of the station hence 5 minutes stay at the signal for the crossover to allow driver to move positions.

The first crossover on the down slow line after LSP going south is pass Speke Junction near to Garston Car Terminal and that section would be not bi-directional as far as I am aware

Since found out, no driver moves from cab to cab! Departure from LSP will have two drivers, one at each end and then train proceeds to Runcorn, were a driver gets off and then comes back to LSP. HTH

 

[rebmcr]

(see about 3 pages previous in the thread).

It's best to refer to post numbers, not everyones' page settings match.

 

[LDECRexile]

Unless something more permanent has been announced it's a temporary extension to platform 4 to allow Pendolinos to terminate whilst Lime Street is closed (see about 3 pages previous in the thread).

Thank you.

 

[BMIFlyer]

Scaffolding base for the P4 extension is now in place.

 

[KevinTurvey]

I had a peek today through the hoarding - quite a lot of what was the centre road between 7 and 8 has now been excavated down to about track level.

 

[johnmoly]

I had a peek today through the hoarding - quite a lot of what was the centre road between 7 and 8 has now been excavated down to about track level.

If I remember correctly, years ago that centre road was only a two bay platform about 50/60 yards long, which was then filled in. Can recall sometime in the late 60's loading a carriage up with scenery from the Empire Theatre.

 

[KevinTurvey]

I guess a lot of people reading this thread will have seen this already, if you haven't then prepare to be amazed at the quality of this piece of work.

This is a full size 00 model of Liverpool Lime Street at the end of the LMS period, and this video features the part of the station where the new platforms are going - at the time it can be seen this part of the shed did have two extra platforms, but I think these were swallowed up by the taxi area and roadway next to platform 9.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws1OFbMdKFw

 

[childwallblues]

If I remember correctly, years ago that centre road was only a two bay platform about 50/60 yards long, which was then filled in. Can recall sometime in the late 60's loading a carriage up with scenery from the Empire Theatre.

I thought that it was only a single road which was about one carriage length through the arch but I may be wrong. . I remember seeing circus elephants coming out of a coach there in the 1950s and then being walked through the streets to Sefton Park.

 

[8A Rail]

It was just a short single line under the arch (which is only wide enough to take a single line anyway) and stopped short of the vehicle access road between Platforms 7 and 8. The new platforms 7 & 8 will be served by that single line as it will widen out just after the arch, if you look at current plans.

 

[childwallblues]

It seems that both 8A Rail and myself were wrong. It was single line through the arch with a set of points to two short sidings.
See photograph.

 

[itsonlyme]

Thanks childwall blues. Very interesting photgraph bringing back a lot of long forgotten memories

 

[8A Rail]

It seems that both 8A Rail and myself were wrong. It was single line through the arch with a set of points to two short sidings. See photograph.

I love your comment, it has made me laugh! Certainly an interesting image and actually see what it was like. Taken in the early 60's too. Thank You.

 

[childwallblues]

I love your comment, it has made me laugh! Certainly an interesting image and actually see what it was like. Taken in the early 60's too. Thank You.

Not my photograph unfortunately. I did not have a camera at the time.
Not sure what made you laugh though!