Blockade to allow Waterloo upgrade to take place, resulting in timetable changes

[Darren R]

The Transport Secretary, my local MP, travels from Ashtead to Waterloo. I'm pretty sure he will be keen to ensure his service is adequately provided for.

Quite so. It's just the rest of the country that he doesn't appear to give a Castlemaine XXXX about....

 

[Feathers44]

The Transport Secretary, my local MP, travels from Ashtead to Waterloo. I'm pretty sure he will be keen to ensure his service is adequately provided for.

Shades of Beeching and East Grinstead I feel.

He's my local MP too

The ten cars seem to be running quite well this far out although the extended timings into Waterloo must be helping somewhat. I persuaded my wife that perhaps changing at Vauxhall on Wednesday may not be as easy as she had imagined.

 

[nlogax]

Waterloo signalling woes this morning. Sea of confusion here at Surbs.

 

[paok]

And an "operational incident" in the mix. Am currently on the WR. Trains backed up everywhere.

 

[30909]

See this post http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=152193 Cancelations to services between Vauxhall and Waterloo - "Its all gone horribly wrong for SWT this morning"

 

[infobleep]

Granted I get to Clapham junction relatively late in the morning (8.30) but the one way system seems completely over the top with loads of staff doing nothing.

The station seems no busier than normal yet they're forcing people to walk round the whole station, blocking completely empty stairways. SWs only respond seems to be that they have advised there is a queuing system in place, so guess we'll have to deal with it for the rest of August.

Any signs up yet advising passengers not to go to the subway if they are changing platforms?

 

[Goldfish62]

It has been quite surprising actually that a lot of people have for once, heeded the advice given and are avoiding Waterloo completely. And it's very nice too.

Minimal waits for the coffee stalls etc.

Happened with the Olympics as well. I believe NR/SWT used best practice from TfL and it's certainly done the trick. Makes my commute much pleasanter.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Well, passengers will have to divert to GWR and enjoy the wonderful voice of Faye Dicker first thing in the morning instead...

 

[swt_passenger]

Well, passengers will have to divert to GWR and enjoy the wonderful voice of Faye Dicker first thing in the morning instead...

Or Southern of course depending on location. I doubt that the voice artiste will be a consideration for anyone though...

 

[infobleep]

So will the derailment cause much of an impact on the works? Are they likely to be delayed?

I imagine South Western Railway are glade it happened this week and not the week they officially took over. I know it makes no difference on the ground but publicity/media wise they might prefer it.

 

[swt_passenger]

So will the derailment cause much of an impact on the works? Are they likely to be delayed?

Can't see any logical reason why.

Until the webcams went offline, (about an hour or so ago), it looked very much like all the civils work in the possession was carrying on at a normal pace, it's not as though anything has occurred within the work area.

 

[hassaanhc]

Used a train from Hounslow today, a line which is 99% unaffected by the work at Waterloo. Even with this morning's incident my journey was ok, yes the route had dropped to 2tph as the circular services were cancelled and my train from Weybridge was 20 late (the 1146 from Hounslow), but we weren't held up anywhere and got a clear run into Waterloo.

The old international station was very impressive, and I also liked the layout of the new departure boards a lot. Shame I don't use the line much now since Southall (more local to me) went to 6tph off peak, although maybe the 707s might win me back (Hounslow is still my first choice for travel to London in the morning peak though)

 

[ijmad]

Can't see any logical reason why.

Until the webcams went offline, (about an hour or so ago), it looked very much like all the civils work in the possession was carrying on at a normal pace, it's not as though anything has occurred within the work area.

Can you post a link to these webcams? (if public...)

 

[swt_passenger]

Can you post a link to these webcams? (if public...)

No, but only because as I said earlier they were switched off at about half twelve.

The firm that were running them is here: http://ography2.com

Before and after stills here:
http://sentry.og2.co.uk/images/ICE00012/2017-08-15/ICE00012-2017-08-15_054100.jpg
http://sentry.og2.co.uk/images/ICE00012/2017-08-15/ICE00012-2017-08-15_054200.jpg

 

[ijmad]

No, but only because as I said earlier they were switched off at about half twelve.

The firm that were running them is here: http://ography2.com

Before and after stills here:
http://sentry.og2.co.uk/images/ICE00012/2017-08-15/ICE00012-2017-08-15_054100.jpg
http://sentry.og2.co.uk/images/ICE00012/2017-08-15/ICE00012-2017-08-15_054200.jpg

Well, hoping they might get switched on again...

 

[fairysdad]

No, but only because as I said earlier they were switched off at about half twelve.

The firm that were running them is here: http://ography2.com

Before and after stills here:
http://sentry.og2.co.uk/images/ICE00012/2017-08-15/ICE00012-2017-08-15_054100.jpg
http://sentry.og2.co.uk/images/ICE00012/2017-08-15/ICE00012-2017-08-15_054200.jpg

Interesting, looks like the 66 moved slightly because of the incident.

 

[ijmad]

Wonder what the implications will be in the Southeastern blockade if the works don't finish on time due to the derailment. They're planning on using the international platforms for some of their services, right?

 

[swt_passenger]

Wonder what the implications will be in the Southeastern blockade if the works don't finish on time due to the derailment. They're planning on using the international platforms for some of their services, right?

Why might this derailment delay the overall project? The weekday possession area isn't affected, and they ought to be able to fix whatever is wrong by Friday night surely?

 

[Feathers44]

I agree. I doubt they diverted people from the upgrade works to deal with this, it will surely be whatever response team is normally on standby for this sort of thing leaving the works to get on as planned.

I imagine some trained heads popped over when this all happened but they wouldn't have completely derailed the day's work as a result.

 

[ijmad]

Why might this derailment delay the overall project? The weekday possession area isn't affected, and they ought to be able to fix whatever is wrong by Friday night surely?

Hopefully. BBC London News said Network Rail wouldn't confirm or deny if this would delay the works, but that could just be sensational journalism.

 

[Ianno87]

Wonder what the implications will be in the Southeastern blockade if the works don't finish on time due to the derailment. They're planning on using the international platforms for some of their services, right?

I would've thought the 2tph diverted into Waterloo wouldn't be particularly difficult to squeeze into Victoria instead should the need ultimately arise (which hopefully it won't)

 

[infobleep]

Can't see any logical reason why.

Until the webcams went offline, (about an hour or so ago), it looked very much like all the civils work in the possession was carrying on at a normal pace, it's not as though anything has occurred within the work area.

I hadn't released when posting this that by the term barrier ,they meant the while train was doing that, not just the perticular wagon it hit.

 

[Bald Rick]

Why might this derailment delay the overall project? The weekday possession area isn't affected, and they ought to be able to fix whatever is wrong by Friday night surely?

What follows is speculation as I don't know, but:

If there is any suggestion that the new / amended signalling was in some way at fault, and,

if signalling installation / testing was suspended as a result, and

if signalling installation / testing is on the critical path...

then the project will be delayed.

A lot of ifs there, and of course we don't know how much 'float' (contingency time) is in the schedule, nor what extra resources can be allocated to make up any delay, if indeed there is any delay.

It's fair to say we won't know if the project is going to run late until a full assessment of any delay, available resources and the remaining activities in the schedule has been carried out.

 

[swt_passenger]

What follows is speculation as I don't know, but:

If there is any suggestion that the new / amended signalling was in some way at fault, and,

if signalling installation / testing was suspended as a result, and

if signalling installation / testing is on the critical path...

then the project will be delayed.

A lot of ifs there, and of course we don't know how much 'float' (contingency time) is in the schedule, nor what extra resources can be allocated to make up any delay, if indeed there is any delay.

It's fair to say we won't know if the project is going to run late until a full assessment of any delay, available resources and the remaining activities in the schedule has been carried out.

Yes of course, I was thinking more of the "visible" civils and track work, but as you say if there was a stage of the re-signalling affecting the problem area, then I suppose all bets are off.

 

[hwl]

Yes of course, I was thinking more of the "visible" civils and track work, but as you say if there was a stage of the re-signalling affecting the problem area, then I suppose all bets are off.

The first round of signalling work started a week ago (all track circuit equipment is in) and the second round should start on Thursday.

The biggest issue is probably if there is some track damage due to the derailment and if so whether it is easily repairable or replaceable if not lots of disruption in the interim.

 

[infobleep]

I see they are handing out more bottles of water today but only if you ask for one. I doubt they'd have one to hand round to everyone, so this keeps things manageable with supplies vers demand.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

What does annoy me though is when people grumble and complain and get angry with the staff for what's happening - little do they know that their future travels are going to be much more efficient thanks to this. Network Rail don't spend millions of pounds for nothing! They don't close off half of the station for nothing!

 

[SamYeager]

What does annoy me though is when people grumble and complain

Some people will complain about anything. If you gave them all a fiver there would be moans that it should have been a tenner. :roll:

 

[nlogax]

Some people will complain about anything. If you gave them all a fiver there would be moans that it should have been a tenner. :roll:

Moaning feels like a peculiarly British sport, sadly..especially when it comes to the railways. Maybe it's easier to moan than to understand?

Anyway..things look to be busy again this morning. Plenty of work going on with the new platform surfaces and signalling cabinets beyond p1.

http://sentry.og2.co.uk/images/ICE00014/2017-08-16/ICE00014-2017-08-16_121200.jpg

 

[swt_passenger]

Moaning feels like a peculiarly British sport, sadly..especially when it comes to the railways. Maybe it's easier to moan than to understand?

Anyway..things look to be busy again this morning. Plenty of work going on with the new platform surfaces and signalling cabinets beyond p1.

http://sentry.og2.co.uk/images/ICE00014/2017-08-16/ICE00014-2017-08-16_121200.jpg

Good find!
Lamp standards up, looks like most copers in place (under cover) and drainage channels going down. Should be almost finished in a couple of days...