Conservative Party possible rebrand to Tory Workers' Party

[northwichcat]

The Conservatives may be about to dump their current tree logo and replace it with a ladder. The rebrand would form part of the party’s mooted effort to “relaunch” in November, after the summer snap election saw it lose its parliamentary majority and lose support with voters in every category younger than late 40s. A ladder would signify social mobility as the Conservatives battle to pitch the benefits of capitalism against a Labour Party that is further to the left than it has been in decades. The “scribbled oak tree” logo came in with David Cameron and was seen as a symbol of modernisation, replacing the torch which carried the Conservatives through the Thatcher era and beyond. Party officials said the tree represented “strength, endurance, renewal and growth”, and they paid designer bills of £40,000 in order to get it. ‘Get rid of the broccoli’ According to journalist Dan Hodges, who reported the plan in the Mail, the MP Robert Halfon has long been pushing for the adoption of the ladder. Tory Workers, the Conservative trade union association for which Mr Halfon is the Honorary President, already uses a ladder logo. “Get rid of the broccoli and have a ladder,” he said during the party’s conference in Manchester earlier this month. He has campaigned to have the party rebrand as “the workers’ party”, which he has called “a simple way of explaining to everyone what we are about and that we are on their side”. As long ago as 2014, he appeared on the BBC’s Sunday Politics advocating for the change, working with the programme’s in-house artist to make a prototype. Heavy fire The logo change is still a rumour, but efforts to spruce up the Conservatives’ image are ongoing. Chairman Patrick McLoughlin is under heavy fire both for the election result and because of the disastrous speech by Theresa May at conference, when letters began falling from the slogan behind her on stage and a prankster managed to reach her as she spoke with a joke P45. He is expected to leave later this year in any case. Meanwhile, the party is attempting to improve its social media and youth outreach after Labour’s campaign during the snap election, spearheaded by activist group Momentum, succeeded in bringing out more young voters who had not cast a ballot before.

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/tories-may-change-logo-ladder/

I'd suggest an amendment to put a long snake next to the ladder which takes you back down after you've climbed it.

 

[Darandio]

The ladder doesn't look strong and stable either.

 

[Busaholic]

I do hope the workers won't all fall off their ladders as they doff their caps at every rung on the way up for being allowed to climb it in the first place. I suspect when they've climbed it they'll just find a selection of Jacob Rees-Mogg's identical black Oxford brogues left for them to polish.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Indeed, a most short ladder with only three rungs to climb from the bottom. I question if the word "Tory" is not just pandering to modern laziness of speech.

 

[TheEdge]

Is this real?

 

[70014IronDuke]

Is it April 01? Have I missed Christmas?

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

I hope they're so conservative that they stick with their current name and logo. For starters, Tory Worker's Party sounds like they're only for the Tory workers (which is kind of true. Why cater to those who won't vote for you anyway?). But really, I just don't like it when a party claims to be for the working people. Both Conservatives and Labour have called themselves this time and time again, but their actions have suggested otherwise. One of the reasons the working class voted to leave the European Union in spite of many people in both parties advocating for remain was because they felt they weren't being listened to anymore.

(EDIT) I really hope I've misunderstood and that this is a joke btw. Please tell if it is, then I'll just remove the post.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

One of the reasons the working class voted to leave the European Union in spite of many people in both parties advocating for remain was because they felt they weren't being listened to anymore.

So now we know who it is to blame for the situation in which Britain finds itself. Are these same people now of the opinion that they are now being listened to?

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

So now we know who it is to blame for the situation in which Britain finds itself. Are these same people now of the opinion that they are now being listened to?

If you want to blame anyone, then blame David Cameron for calling a referendum on a political issue that was far too complicated. The people elect MPs to sort those things out. But because UKIP gained some popularity, Cameron chose to have a referendum, and it backfired on him dramatically.

 

[roversfan2001]

I could think of a word not too dissimilar to 'workers' that would be a better description

 

[70014IronDuke]

If you want to blame anyone, then blame David Cameron for calling a referendum on a political issue that was far too complicated. The people elect MPs to sort those things out. But because UKIP gained some popularity, Cameron chose to have a referendum, and it backfired on him dramatically.

I thought someone had said there was a like button on the new site?

Anyway, TOTAL like from me.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

If you want to blame anyone, then blame David Cameron for calling a referendum on a political issue that was far too complicated. The people elect MPs to sort those things out. But because UKIP gained some popularity, Cameron chose to have a referendum, and it backfired on him dramatically.

The blame solely lies squarely on those who actually cast their votes in the percentages that they did. The fact that the then Prime Minister facilitated the referendum was prior to the casting of the votes by the electorate. Is that not democracy in action?

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

The blame solely lies squarely on those who actually cast their votes in the percentages that they did. The fact that the then Prime Minister facilitated the referendum was prior to the casting of the votes by the electorate. Is that not democracy in action?

Democracy is a flawed system, in fact it's the worst aside from all others that have been tried. But if you think facilitating the referendum shifts the blame from Cameron, you're wrong. The electorate had no way of knowing what would've happened if they left, but they knew what would happen if they stayed.

My best analogical way of putting it is a restaurant manager deciding that he wants food cooked differently and asks some customers to do meals for some food critics rather than his chefs. If he gets bad food ratings, it's his fault for asking unqualified cooks to do food. The customers couldn't have known how it might've gone down, but the qualified chefs would've probably had an idea what would've happened had something been done differently. It works the same way. The people couldn't have known what the consequences of the result might've been, but MPs just might have.

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

I thought someone had said there was a like button on the new site?

Anyway, TOTAL like from me.

I too thought there was a like button. There's certainly notifications available for when your posts get liked. But regardless, TOTAL thanks for the TOTAL like

 

[yorksrob]

If you want to blame anyone, then blame David Cameron for calling a referendum on a political issue that was far too complicated. The people elect MPs to sort those things out. But because UKIP gained some popularity, Cameron chose to have a referendum, and it backfired on him dramatically.

I'm inclined to blame every prime minister between Harold Wilson and David Cameron who declined to canvass the opinion of the public for any of the more digestible constitutional changes which saw the membership of the common market evolve into membership of the EU.

In terms of the Tory Party rebranding itself, given that a proportion of people are going to vote for them regardless, anything that sees the party re-orientate itself towards centrist working class aspirations, and away from the flash Harry, free market "everything for sale" brigade, has to be a good thing IMO.

 

[northwichcat]

One of the reasons the working class voted to leave the European Union in spite of many people in both parties advocating for remain was because they felt they weren't being listened to anymore.

No Farage keeps telling us the working class voted to leave. There were votes for both remain and leave by people from working class backgrounds. Anyone who thinks the likes of Farage, Boris Johnson, Iain Duncan-Smith, Theresa Villiers, Andrea Leadsome, Esther McVey and Michael Gove represent the working class needs to see a doctor ASAP.

 

[yorksrob]

I'm not a Tory and I don't vote for them, however, the fact remains that nothing will change in this Country until the Tory party changes.

 

[70014IronDuke]

I could think of a word not too dissimilar to 'workers' that would be a better description

Torkers?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Were not the unemployed (not working) classes entitled to cast their votes as well as those described as the "working classes" in this thread?

 

[70014IronDuke]

I'm not a Tory and I don't vote for them, ....

Really?
Gosh, you would never think so, ....

 

[northwichcat]

Democracy is a flawed system, in fact it's the worst aside from all others that have been tried. But if you think facilitating the referendum shifts the blame from Cameron, you're wrong. The electorate had no way of knowing what would've happened if they left, but they knew what would happen if they stayed.

Not really. The Leave campaign kept threatening us with Turkey joining the EU and thousands of Turks coming to the UK when only a few months earlier Boris Johnson has dismissed the prospect of Turkey joining the EU in the foreseeable future. They also kept mentioning Montenegro joining the EU and that causing more immigrants. I doubt many people will have gone off and researched the population of Montenegro and realised the population of that country is smaller than some of our cities or considered that Montenegro is a beautiful country which some British people would probably love to live in.

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

No Farage keeps telling us the working class voted to leave. There were votes for both remain and leave by people from working class backgrounds. Anyone who thinks the likes of Farage, Boris Johnson, Iain Duncan-Smith, Theresa Villiers, Andrea Leadsome, Esther McVey and Michael Gove represent the working class needs to see a doctor ASAP.

Farage is a genius in the way he managed to fool some people into believing he was just a common man who had their best interests at heart and was an anti-establishment figure. The others vary in their abilities. Boris is especially good at pretending though if I must say. Since this forum is about the Tory rebrand though, I don't think any amount of name changing will shift their image left by the likes of Boris, Cameron, Gideon and May in the near future.

 

[edwin_m]

37 workers were killed by falls from height in 2015/16.

Ladders are dangerous things.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/causinj/kinds-of-accident.pdf

 

[northwichcat]

37 workers were killed by falls from height in 2015/16.

Ladders are dangerous things.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/causinj/kinds-of-accident.pdf

You just reminded me of the advert for a claims company where the man says he had an accident because he was given the wrong type of ladder.

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

Not really. The Leave campaign kept threatening us with Turkey joining the EU and thousands of Turks coming to the UK when only a few months earlier Boris Johnson has dismissed the prospect of Turkey joining the EU in the foreseeable future. They also kept mentioning Montenegro joining the EU and that causing more immigrants. I doubt many people will have gone off and researched the population of Montenegro and realised the population of that country is smaller than some of our cities or considered that Montenegro is a beautiful country which some British people would probably love to live in.

Anyone who examined the country would know that Turkey isn't going to be joining the EU anytime soon. All I got out of those ads about Turkey joining was Boris revealing himself to be the opportunistic and unprincipled slime ball that he truly is by changing his sides so quickly. He's been wanting to be Prime Minister for a while now, but when practically challenged by Cameron when he resigned to take the UK out of the EU, he backed down. I mean Cameron resigning could be taken as him basically telling Boris 'alright, you got what you wanted. Now do it'.

 

[jon0844]

The local Labour Party group told people to vote leave, against what the national party said, and local people did vote leave - a largely Labour area with working class people still suffering from the closure of a large site employing a significant percentage of the town. They see the Europeans as taking British jobs and are always very vocal about it - such you'd sometimes be hard pushed to tell the difference between their views and that of UKIP.

The issue as I see it from all the online discussions was immigration. Any other aspect of the EU was not considered, and this is why the referendum was so flawed.

We aren't part of Schengen and could have made changes with regards to immigration from inside and outside the EU without leaving. But the constant videos on the media of people arriving in the EU and all wanting to make it to the UK (or via Sweden where they can get a EU passport after a few years then go to the UK) was the tipping point IMO.

Now the country is arguably screwed and the working class will be most affected, and whoever is in power in 2019 will likely still want to encourage immigration. Just perhaps from other countries. There will be no wall built as I'm sure some hoped, and in a way I think that if we start to encourage immigration from outside the EU some people are going to get even more upset.

Promising a referendum was the error, not holding one after having made the promise.

 

[jon0844]

To add, UKIP clearly saw how a right wing party could attract left wing supporters on a topic that crosses normal party lines. It perhaps makes sense to try and rebrand to play on that, just as new Labour wanted to be seen as the party supporting big business.

Ultimately they tell us what we want to hear and who knows how sincere they are. More likely doing research to see what bandwagon to jump on at any given time.

 

[northwichcat]

Wait. Weren't the Conservatives laughing at Corbyn when he suggested this:

The government should borrow money to fund the building of hundreds of thousands of new homes, a cabinet minister says.

Communities Secretary Sajid Javid said taking advantage of record-low interest rates "can be the right thing if done sensibly".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41714128

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Democracy is a flawed system, in fact it's the worst aside from all others that have been tried. But if you think facilitating the referendum shifts the blame from Cameron, you're wrong. The electorate had no way of knowing what would've happened if they left, but they knew what would happen if they stayed.

I wonder if some of the "blame them at the top" brigade rather than those who actually cast their votes have similar views on the recent matters in Catalonia? I see what you say about democracy being a flawed system ("the worst aside from all others that have been tried"), so I ask as a devils advocate for your views on the system that was set up by the Pol Pot regime, in response to your "blanket" comment.

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

I wonder if some of the "blame them at the top" brigade rather than those who actually cast their votes have similar views on the recent matters in Catalonia? I see what you say about democracy being a flawed system ("the worst aside from all others that have been tried"), so I ask as a devils advocate for your views on the system that was set up by the Pol Pot regime, in response to your "blanket" comment.

All I know about Catalonia is that the referendum was illegal in the eyes of Spain and the European Union. I don't know enough about that, nor the system set up by the Pol Pot regime. In fact I never heard of it until right this minute. I'm not the kind of person to give an opinion on a political issue I know nothing about. I'll always attempt to get sufficient information on both before making my own judgement.