Does anybody know how much a railway KWh costs to purchase?
Per mile, how much would it cost to power both a diesel HST (Intercity-125) and an electric one? (Assuming that it is travelling at full speed during this mile)
The spreadsheet contains some interesting figures. Hard to believe a 333 consumes nearly twice as much as a 321 for doing pretty similar things, and yet a Pendolino only consumes a third more than the 333 for more than double the train size operating at higher speeds. I assume the regenerative braking would be included in these figures.
I have moved this thread to the correct forum.Per mile, how much would it cost to power both a diesel HST (Intercity-125) and an electric one? (Assuming that it is travelling at full speed during this mile)
I have always assumed that trains would be able to use red diesel, which I think costs around 70p per litre, though that figure may be somewhat out of date now (my job no longer needs me to know the current cost). There's no chemical difference between red diesel and road fuel (DERV), the only difference is the tax level.It is stated here that an HST uses about 4.6 L of diesel fuel per km. That's 7.4 L per mile which would cost about £9 at your local filling station, though I expect that's not quite the same sort of diesel trains use.
I have always assumed that trains would be able to use red diesel, which I think costs around 70p per litre, though that figure may be somewhat out of date now (my job no longer needs me to know the current cost). There's no chemical difference between red diesel and road fuel (DERV), the only difference is the tax level.
I have always assumed that trains would be able to use red diesel, which I think costs around 70p per litre, though that figure may be somewhat out of date now (my job no longer needs me to know the current cost). There's no chemical difference between red diesel and road fuel (DERV), the only difference is the tax level.
If that's the case the diesel train fuel cost comes down to about £5 per mile, much closer to electric.
(But remember, guys, I'm just guesstimating here!)
Per mile, how much would it cost to power both a diesel HST (Intercity-125) and an electric one? (Assuming that it is travelling at full speed during this mile)
I’d say DMUs such as class 220/221/222 with an engine in each coach are more expensive to run than trains like the HST with a single engined loco at both ends. In my opinion the DMUs are probably no more efficient than buses on the roads. One engine in the loco at the front and perhaps a rear loco is far better.
Also all these extra engines on DMUs need to be maintained parts replaced etc adding to running costs.
At the very least, it would be very useful to know the relative costs of different sizes of train, e.g. how many times as much does it cost to run a 12 coach train as it does to run an 8 coach train?
ATOC used a very bright engineering student on a yearly secondment to work out the actual costs on a spreadsheet of stopping a passenger train at any station. Great piece of work. Purely EC4T and fuel costs etc.
A 465 on the Sheerness stopping at Swale cost about 55p , a HST at a fictional Wantage Road about £80 ....
Without any further detail, the best estimate would be 50% more.
Is there any way that I can get an estimate of running a British Rail Class 377 train per mile for different numbers of carriages? I am not looking for a cost per passenger per mile, however if there is any information on how the number of passengers on a train affects the cost of running it, this would be useful as well.
You will have to be more precise if you want an answer that is useful. You ask for a 'per mile' cost. Do you mean fuel cost for traction, fuel cost for the 'hotel services' (ventilation, heating, cooling and lighting), maintenance cost, cleaning cost, fixed track access charge, variable track access charge, crew costs, leasing costs or all of these together?At the very least, it would be very useful to know the relative costs of different sizes of train, e.g. how many times as much does it cost to run a 12 coach train as it does to run an 8 coach train?
So three passengers boarding in the morning peak, going to London and returning in the evening would cover the daily operating costs of one train each way in the peaks.
The cost of fuel/power is only a small proportion of the overall cost.So three passengers boarding in the morning peak, going to London and returning in the evening would cover the daily operating costs of one train each way in the peaks.
Twice as long as the middle to one end.How long's a piece of string comes to.mind.