Loco and trainset liveries upon delivery in late 70s+80s

[USRailFan]

A spin-off from my previous thread about locos delivered in Large Logo Blue...
The late 70s and 80s were a period where a lot of new liveries were introduced - sectorisation liveries, and various "local" (PTE) liveries. Trying get a hold of which locos/trainsets had which liveries from new.

-HSTs: All delivered in blue/grey. Some of the latest delivered indermediate coaches may have had IC Executive?
-APT-P: Predecessor to IC Executive - kinda an IC Executive/NSE hybrid

-Mk3a coaches: Blue/grey. Some (how many?) with Scotrail branding?
-Mk3b coaches and DVTs: IC Swallow, presumably?
-Mk4 coaches: IC Swallow

-Class 56: First locos in BR Blue. Majority in Large Logo Blue. Very last loco in Large Logo Grey (the first Railfreight livery)
-Class 58: All in Railfreight Red Stripe livery. Or did some of the very latest ones get delivered in triple grey?
-Class 60: Railfreight Triple Grey

-Class 89: Special livery? Or IC Mainline?
-Class 90: About 1/3 in respectively IC Swallow, IC Maninline and Railfreight Triple Grey (presumably the IC Swallow ones were seen as "pure" passenger duty locos, while the IC Mainline ones were "multirole" (both passenger, freight and mail)?
-Class 91: All in IC Swallow

-Class 317 EMUs: All in Blue/Grey?
-Class 318 EMUs: All in Strathclyde Orange
-Class 319 EMUs; Network Southeast?
-Class 320 EMUs: Presumably all Strathclyde Orange?
-Class 321 EMUs: Mix of Network Southeast and PTE liveries?

-Class 455 EMUs: Blue/Grey?

I don't think any EMUs were ever delivered in Regional Railways livery?

-Class 150 DMUs: All in Regional Railways?
-Class 151 DMUs: All in Regional Railways?
-Class 155 DMUs: Some had PTE livery, rest in Regional Railways?
-Class 156 DMUs: The latest 15(?) in Strathclyde Orange, all the rest had Regional Railways?
-Class 158 DMUs: Regional Railways Express, one series had PTE livery

-Class 210 DEMUs: Both prototypes presumably had Blue/Grey?

-Class 14X Railbusses: The very first ones possibly had Blue/Grey? Most I've seen pictures of have been in various PTE liveries, did anyone get delivered in Regional Railways?

 

[Ash Bridge]

Just off the top of my head,
142 provincial style livery/or mock chocolate & cream on Westcountry Skipper versions.
150/1 Provincial Livery.
151 Delivered in its own unique livery, not Regional Railways.

 

[delt1c]

NO MK3's had Scot Rail livery when new. The Scot rail examples were ex LM and had been delivered new in Blue/Grey to LM

 

[USRailFan]

NO MK3's had Scot Rail livery when new. The Scot rail examples were ex LM and had been delivered new in Blue/Grey to LM

I always thought the Mk3s used on the Glasgow - Edinburgh Push-Pull services were used for that traffic ever since they were new and until the 156s came. So they were on the WCML for a short period first then.

 

[fowler9]

I always thought the Mk3s used on the Glasgow - Edinburgh Push-Pull services were used for that traffic ever since they were new and until the 156s came. So they were on the WCML for a short period first then.

The Glasgow to Edinburgh Mk 3's were replaced with 158's.

 

[eastwestdivide]

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-Class 210 DEMUs: Both prototypes presumably had Blue/Grey?

Yes, 210s were blue/grey from new

 

[USRailFan]

The Glasgow to Edinburgh Mk 3's were replaced with 158's.

I actually meant to write 158s... D'uh. Still, I always thought they had been used in that traffic ever since they were new, which seems to have been wrong, although they can't have operated for long on the WCML before going to Scotland?

 

[Cowley]

I actually meant to write 158s... D'uh. Still, I always thought they had been used in that traffic ever since they were new, which seems to have been wrong, although they can't have operated for long on the WCML before going to Scotland?

The push pull sets and 47/7s were first turned out in blue and grey with the locos in standard blue but with a light grey roof I think.

The 89 was first turned out in original Intercity livery.

The last 58 - 58050 was outshopped in original Railfreight with red solebar etc but had some kind of experimental equipment fitted (sepex maybe?) and consequently spent the first period of its life on test and was often to be found in the compound at Toton.
My stepbrother took this photo of it when we were there in 1987

I’m not sure if it ran in the livery on the mainline much though before being painted into triple grey coal livery.

 

[Highlandspring]

The first two HST powercars built (43002/003 of set 253001) were painted with black above the yellow in front of the radiator grill, similar to the later Intercity livery although they also had a black cab roof. This was replaced with blue within a couple of weeks and, although there are pictures out there showing them, I've never yet seen a colour image. Powercars from 43004 onwards were delivered in the conventional yellow blue and grey livery.

 

[43096]

Mark 3b coaches were delivered new in InterCity "Executive" livery. The DVTs had Swallow livery from new.

Likewise the Class 89 was delivered in InterCity "Executive" livery.

Class 150/2, 155301-335 and 156401-500 were delivered in Provincial livery (the second version). 155341-347 had West Yorkshire livery and 156501-514 were in Strathclyde orange/black.

As for EMUs being delivered in Regional Railways livery, 323201-222/240-243 were in the West Mids version of that scheme and 323223-239 had the GMPTE variant.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

-Class 455 EMUs: Blue/Grey?

Yes, every single "slug" was delivered in blue/grey.

 

[Bevan Price]

Class 50s were all delivered in BR blue, in the late 1960s, and several years before the 56s were built.

 

[theblackwatch]

-HSTs: All delivered in blue/grey. Some of the latest delivered indermediate coaches may have had IC Executive?

I think the only HST coaches to carry IC colours from new were 42335-341.

142 provincial style livery/or mock chocolate & cream on Westcountry Skipper versions

Also 142001-014 were delivered in GMPTE orange/brown.

 

[43096]

For the Class 90s it was 90001-025 in Swallow, 90026-036 in Mainline and 90037-050 new in triple grey with Railfreight Distribution logos.

 

[30907]

Think the 141s were WY Metro red?

 

[sprinterguy]

Think the 141s were WY Metro red?

The first few class 141s were delivered in Barrow Corporation blue and grey - a close facsimilie of the standard BR blue/grey scheme. However all units except 141001 carried the original West Yorkshire PTE verona green and buttermilk livery by the time they entered service. The first red and white scheme premiered on the class 144 units.

-Class 150 DMUs: All in Regional Railways?
-Class 151 DMUs: All in Regional Railways?
-Class 155 DMUs: Some had PTE livery, rest in Regional Railways?
-Class 156 DMUs: The latest 15(?) in Strathclyde Orange, all the rest had Regional Railways?

A relatively subtle difference, but as noted above the class 150/2, 155 (except 155341 - 347) and 156 (except 156501 - 514) units were actually delivered in Provincial livery: The main bodyside dark blue/white/light blue bands finished short of the cab ends, and any branding or insignia was in rail alphabet. Regional Railways livery only emerged following the 1991 rebranding of the Provincial sector, which extended the colour scheme to the cab ends and introduced the "fleximark" at the end of the light blue stripe and the serif font. The rebranding took place while the class 158 build was ongoing, so units from 158815 onwards received "Regional Railways" insignia from new instead of the EXPRESS branding.

You can also add the class 159s, which were delivered to Salisbury as class 158s for driver training purposes in the final variant of Network Southeast livery.

-Class 14X Railbusses: The very first ones possibly had Blue/Grey? Most I've seen pictures of have been in various PTE liveries, did anyone get delivered in Regional Railways?

It's been largely outlined above, but for completeness:

140001: BR blue/grey
141001 - 020: Barrow Corporation blue/grey, WYPTE Verona green/buttermilk before entering service
142001 - 014: Greater Manchester PTE orange/brown
142015 - 027: West Country "Skipper" brown/cream
142028 - 096: BR Provincial Railbus light blue/dark blue
143001 - 019: BR Provincial Railbus light blue/dark blue
143020 - 025: Tyne & Wear PTE yellow/blue/white version 1
144001 - 025: WYPTE red/white version 1

 

[theblackwatch]

Think the 141s were WY Metro red?

The first 5 sets emerged in blue/grey (all but 001 being quickly repainted before entering service), the remaining 15 were repainted out of blue/grey (the bodyshells having been delivered to Derby in these colours) into WYPTE verona green/cream before being released from Derby.

 

[47271]

I actually meant to write 158s... D'uh. Still, I always thought they had been used in that traffic ever since they were new, which seems to have been wrong, although they can't have operated for long on the WCML before going to Scotland?

Yes, I was always under the impression that the E&G push pull mk3s arrived new on the route. However, there's no reason why they shouldn't have found themselves used on the WCML first as large quantities were being turned out in the late 1970s.

You were inadvertantly partially correct on the 156s by the way. Delivery of 158s was delayed and I clearly recall Scotrail 156s being used temporarily on all sorts of unlikely routes right at the start of the 1990s, I certainly travelled from Aberdeen to Edinburgh on one around that time.

 

[talltim]

The 319s were delivered in various different Network Southeast liveries with straight and curved upsweeps, light and dark blue and dark and light grey.

 

[30907]

The first 5 sets emerged in blue/grey (all but 001 being quickly repainted before entering service), the remaining 15 were repainted out of blue/grey (the bodyshells having been delivered to Derby in these colours) into WYPTE verona green/cream before being released from Derby.

Sorry, forgot the green and cream, ought to have remembered!

 

[Cowley]

USRailfan - Although not in your original question, an honourable mention should go to 40106 which was delivered in BR green and lasted through the 1960s and 70s in the livery to become a bit of a celebrity and eventually received a new BR green repaint, before being finally withdrawn as vacuum braked only in 1983 and becoming the first preserved class 40, by which time it could be seen alongside large logo liveried locomotives.

I just found this wonderful photo of it taken by Thomas Harper in 1978. You wouldn’t see something like that on the network these days!

 

[Ash Bridge]

Beautiful, those were the day's, here's another ex-works example, and according to the headcode displayed employed on royal train duties! (Warrington Arpley 1973)

 

[Cowley]

Beautiful, those were the day's, here's another ex-works example, and according to the headcode displayed employed on royal train duties! (Warrington Arpley 1973)

That’s a great photo. In slightly better nick than 106, although you’d still have to say not quite up to Royal Train standards for ones queen...

 

[Ash Bridge]

That’s a great photo. In slightly better nick than 106, although you’d still have to say not quite up to Royal Train standards for ones queen...

I'm pretty sure 'one' would not be amused if 'one' saw that on the front of 'ones' train

 

[Cowley]

I'm pretty sure 'one' would not be amused if 'one' saw that on the front of 'ones' train

One might have regretted using class 31s on Ones train again Philleep.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I just found this wonderful photo of it taken by Thomas Harper in 1978. You wouldn’t see something like that on the network these days!

Nice picture - is that Carlisle Citadel?

 

[30907]

Nice picture - is that Carlisle Citadel?

Yes it is.

 

[GusB]

USRailfan - Although not in your original question, an honourable mention should go to 40106 which was delivered in BR green and lasted through the 1960s and 70s in the livery to become a bit of a celebrity and eventually received a new BR green repaint, before being finally withdrawn as vacuum braked only in 1983 and becoming the first preserved class 40, by which time it could be seen alongside large logo liveried locomotives.

I just found this wonderful photo of it taken by Thomas Harper in 1978. View attachment 41562 You wouldn’t see something like that on the network these days!

I think I could count on the one hand how many 40s I've seen in my lifetime, but am I correct in thinking that none of the class ever received large logo blue when in regular service?

 

[Ash Bridge]

I think I could count on the one hand how many 40s I've seen in my lifetime, but am I correct in thinking that none of the class ever received large logo blue when in regular service?

That's correct Gus.

 

[Cowley]

As Mr Bridge said you’re darn right Gus. The preserved 40145 looked good in it though...