Yes agreed.Fair point, but I would counter that it's easier for a human to make its way passed other humans than a human pushing a large box on wheels trying the same feat.
Yes agreed.Fair point, but I would counter that it's easier for a human to make its way passed other humans than a human pushing a large box on wheels trying the same feat.
Would be far better if they tore the seats out and started again, they're absolutely awful.
Who on earth thought they'd even be suitable for a metro train? Let alone an InterCity!
Not quite true, as it turns out; @holdmch does add in a later tweet that only the moquettes will be replaced in the GWR IETs, to something more in keeping with the GWR style. The Standard Class seat moquettes will, however, have better padding.Just read from '@holdmch' on Twitter that class 800 seats are to be replaced / upgraded.
No. They don't.They need Grammer IC3000s. How about taking them out of the HSTs?
Not quite true, as it turns out; @holdmch does add in a later tweet that only the moquettes will be replaced in the GWR IETs, to something more in keeping with the GWR style. The Standard Class seat moquettes will, however, have better padding.
Seems probable; the newly built ones will almost certainly have the new seats, but the recently-built sets may be fitted with the existing DfT-spec seats (haven't seen inside one to be fair). They'll more than likely have them changed before they enter service though.Interesting. I wonder if the 802s will arrive with a different interior then.
More to the point how long will it take to convert a whole trainset over to the revised seats.
while intentions are good this all seems a remarkable farceI'd read that the aim was to do a whole (presumably 5 car) unit within an 8 hour shift.
Yet to travel on one of these trains. They look great from the outside and I have heard good comments about legroom and overhead luggage space and that they are quieter than the voyagers
I think you'll find that it's more than just "some" people who have issues with the seats, given that they are being modified. However, I do agree that the trains are vastly superior to the Voyagers.Other than the issue that some people have with the actual seats (primarily tall people with long backs; I imagine they're fine for someone shorter than me who sit lower down) they are vastly better than Voyagers in just about every way.
On first ride out of T.Meads on a very busy 17:17 W-S-M 5 car last year, the presumably very new and very keen trolley guy made an announcement asking people not to stand in the vestibules because he couldn't get through with his trolley, quite where else we were supposed to go he didn't say!Yes agreed.
I think you'll find that "some
I think you'll find that it's more than just "some" people who have issues with the seats, given that they are being modified. However, I do agree that the trains are vastly superior to the Voyagers.
Other than the issue that some people have with the actual seats (primarily tall people with long backs; I imagine they're fine for someone shorter than me who sit lower down) they are vastly better than Voyagers in just about every way.
But, but, but, they are not competing with Voyagers...
...but with HSTs which don't have underfloor engines.
...but the end/pantograph cars don't have underfloor engines either... floors are a lot lower, and the seats are strangely more comfortable.
Jimm, rather than ask why (as someone who works the IET train daily) I hold these opinions, you choose to make assumptions and speak to me in a superior manner. It's a bit weird and unecessary. It's like I made a personal attack on you, rather than discussing my personal experience of a train.
...but the end cars also have a strange whine or whistle which probably comes from the transformer and associated gubbins (a technical expression, m'lud). HST coaches don't have these noticeable background noises....but the end/pantograph cars don't have underfloor engines either... floors are a lot lower, and the seats are strangely more comfortable.
This is one of the reasons I never engage with Jimm any longer on this thread. You say a single slightly negative thing about these trains and he responds as if you have insulted him personally.
Jimm if you want people to respond to your posts and engage with you you might want to change the tone and stop the whole “superior manner” thing. All I get is that Jimm is a total fan boy of these trains and won’t have a single word said against them and talks down to anyone who has anything but praise for them.
And there you go again. You have persistently ignored my criticisms of the way the IEP project has been financed, because it doesn't fit with your characterisation of my views.
You rarely make any attempt to engage or respond to anyone - many others apart from me - who has had the temerity to question any of the tide of negative stuff you have come out with about the trains and the IEP project generally over the years.
Eg your very first post in this thread, back on page 4 in June 2014. The very next poster asked you a question, but never got an answer.
And although you "never engage with me any longer", the instant (making allowances for the 11 days that have elapsed since the post you seized upon...) an opportunity presents itself to have a pop at me, all of a sudden you get an urge to "engage".
Oh I'm not sure about that, I've seen plenty of criticism of them. I'm quite anxious to try one to see what I think myself. There has been plenty of criticism of the units in terms of performance which from what I've read sounds somewhat justified, even if it's more a criticism of DfT policy than the units themselves, the issue still remains. Seating comments are largely irrelevant as they are always subjective, though I do agree it's more important not to have excessively firm seating for longer-distance express services.The reason I no longer take part in this thread much is it seems to be a general forum rule that you are not allowed to criticise class 80X's.
You talk down to anyone who has even the slightest negative thing to say. FWIW these trains seem to be very good on electric and I'm sure the electric only versions on the ECML will be very good if the internal fit out is comfortable enough. They still have their design flaws, they are people munchers and not really long distance trains. BUT the biggest problem is..... the bi-mode diesel engines. I have always said the concept is bad one and I feel I have been proven correct in that thinking.
The reason I no longer take part in this thread much is it seems to be a general forum rule that you are not allowed to criticise class 80X's.