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A career as a signaller

Tom Quinne

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I really wouldn’t use Simsig to get a foothold on IST.

Go into it with a mindset of you now nothing and let the course do what it’s designed to do.

I would also say once you get home Friday night forget about work until Monday morning. It really heavy going, you need down time between the lessons.
 
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Lewis423

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Hello all,

First time poster here so be gentle! Having just spent two days reading 69 pages of posts.... Massive thank you to all the contributors. There really is an incredible wealth of information available and it's hard to think of any questions that haven't already been answered!

I've recently been looking at changing career and the railways have always been somewhere I'd love to have worked. (Very aware I'm not alone in this).

Signalling seems very appealing, and it's been great to read the overwhelming positive feedback from those already doing it.

I live in the York area, and realise I've just missed the boat on some vacancies at the York ROC. There is however a Grade 2 role going at Barton Hill SB. I just wondered whether people thought it was worth going for? The description is fixed term/secondment until Apr 2019 so wondered if it is more aimed at experienced signal staff?

I can see that the application process is not quick, and then signalling school follows, so a fixed term of a year doesn't seem to fit with this? Though it does talk about an apprenticeship in the description so is the fixed term nature more based on the box being in line to close?

Sorry, aware that's a lot of questions! (Having said it was hard to think of any more questions)
The fixed term contracts I believe are now a part of the whole training scheme, it’s now technically a one year apprenticeship from what I know off so most jobs will now be advertised as a FTC
 

cogload

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I don't know if this is going to be of any use but for any new entrants wanting to join the Grade:

READ THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE JOB APPLICATION/ ASSESSMENT CAREFULLY.

1. DO NOT Take Simsig as gospel.
2. Don't read the rule book. The assumption is for external applicants that they know f*** all about the railway in terms of in depth operations. That is what signalling school is for, to teach you the nuts and bolts. However if you show a general interest in what NR does and how it operates then it will stand you good stead.
3. The HR process is long, time consuming and exasperating. However once the positive decision has been made they will let you know. However be warned that NR as an organisation can be cumbersome and change it's mind in regards to vacancies. And HR are at the whim of the hiring managers. Internal applicants find the process very frustrating, so I have sympathy.

Apropos to the above don't waste time sweating once you have hit the submit button and been through the interview. I know it is nerve racking and can be quite frustrating but what has done has been done - you can't undo it. Go out and live your life - don't forget that (based on the lift test etc etc) there will be plenty of opportunities to apply again if your life's desire is to join the grade.

4. There are other ways into the signalling grade. One way is via a job such as Trust Delay Attribution as mentioned above. It is also easier to get into the grade from a "railway job" - i.e look for a job with a train operator and then apply (I joined from Wessex Trains many many moons ago).
5. If you have been offered a job- congratulations! They will let you know regarding the Signalling school. Now I went to Derby (long since shut) and it is a common complaint about the hotels etc. Your LOM will supply you with tickets and hopefully the background bits required for your time on the course. My advice will be to join the Union ASAP as well. I have no truck with the politics of the RMT however the background stuff is useful and a good Rep is worth their weight in gold. It is a pretty intense course so (as mentioned above) on your downtime use it as downtime. Do the work which the trainers ask you to do and remember that the NR's drinkndrugs policy applies. Also ask questions, lots and lots of questions if you are unsure of any particular point of principle.
 

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Cogload has summed up most of this thread in a nice concise post! Agree with all of the above
 

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Application Under Review 03-Mar-2018 22:39:20
Application Accepted 05-Mar-2018 07:34:14
Application Under Consideration 05-Mar-2018 13:55:34
Test Completed 05-Mar-2018 14:32:20
Test Completed 05-Mar-2018 18:02:04
Application Under Consideration 29-Mar-2018 15:01:45

Does anyone know what it means by application under consideration twice?
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Highlandspring

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It means
1) is it worth getting you to do the tests?
2) what are the results of the tests?
 

SmokeAndJoe

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Who told you that? Its a massive car park and always seems to have spaces, I know someone who was a trainee there and parked in there because his hotel at Novatel was a tenner a night and not included with his room and meals etc!!



Unless they don't allow it now, they used to not all that long ago. You just have a word with the security guard and he lets you in. Contact your LOM about it, because I think you email in your car details and get it confirmed. The security will get to know you anyway, even if the initial Mondays of the week is a pain to get past the gates.




Its easy to get into a company when you're already in. Having a station job or job on the track would definitely help you over being external. Not least in the sense that you can see the internal job list. They'll also treat you better in the interview if your NR staff, (even if most are fair with you anyway). I was from off the street so know how hard it can be to get in, apply for everything, if you can, then its all about getting interviews. As I've said before on here, most will give up, depends how much you want it. But sure, defnitely having a job with the company will help IMO. And put it this way, once you do get in and onto a signaller course, if you have a room of say, 10 people, most will be Network Rail from other jobs or graduate scheme etc who've already done various bits and pieces with the company anyway. There's no doubt someone on here or who's a signaller who has a decent amount of off the street-ers in their group, but I'd imagine most peoples groups already have railway or company experience.
The head of IST training and several other wds' whilst at signalling school at York all said that they didn't have places for signalling trainees to park. As there can be around 70 trainees at any one time , it can make this pretty difficult. The majority of the parking is for ROC staff.

I stayed at the Novotel myself, and people had no trouble parking there for free.

The only time one of our course mates was able to park within the car park itself, the WDS that day gave up his own space.
 

Alan77

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So I’ve been sent a formal offer for a job according to the online website. What comes next? It’s is medical, drug and alcohol tests and a reference still out standing or is it just proof of previous employment?
 

Cavan

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Does anyone have the 2018 up to date pay matrix they could PM me and current NR London allowances?
 

Alan77

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I don't know if this is going to be of any use but for any new entrants wanting to join the Grade:

READ THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE JOB APPLICATION/ ASSESSMENT CAREFULLY.

1. DO NOT Take Simsig as gospel.
2. Don't read the rule book. The assumption is for external applicants that they know f*** all about the railway in terms of in depth operations. That is what signalling school is for, to teach you the nuts and bolts. However if you show a general interest in what NR does and how it operates then it will stand you good stead.
3. The HR process is long, time consuming and exasperating. However once the positive decision has been made they will let you know. However be warned that NR as an organisation can be cumbersome and change it's mind in regards to vacancies. And HR are at the whim of the hiring managers. Internal applicants find the process very frustrating, so I have sympathy.

Apropos to the above don't waste time sweating once you have hit the submit button and been through the interview. I know it is nerve racking and can be quite frustrating but what has done has been done - you can't undo it. Go out and live your life - don't forget that (based on the lift test etc etc) there will be plenty of opportunities to apply again if your life's desire is to join the grade.

4. There are other ways into the signalling grade. One way is via a job such as Trust Delay Attribution as mentioned above. It is also easier to get into the grade from a "railway job" - i.e look for a job with a train operator and then apply (I joined from Wessex Trains many many moons ago).
5. If you have been offered a job- congratulations! They will let you know regarding the Signalling school. Now I went to Derby (long since shut) and it is a common complaint about the hotels etc. Your LOM will supply you with tickets and hopefully the background bits required for your time on the course. My advice will be to join the Union ASAP as well. I have no truck with the politics of the RMT however the background stuff is useful and a good Rep is worth their weight in gold. It is a pretty intense course so (as mentioned above) on your downtime use it as downtime. Do the work which the trainers ask you to do and remember that the NR's drinkndrugs policy applies. Also ask questions, lots and lots of questions if you are unsure of any particular point of principle.

So this replica railway of the entire south coast that I’ve built in my garage is of no use to me?!!
 

Dannygee

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So I’ve been sent a formal offer for a job according to the online website. What comes next? It’s is medical, drug and alcohol tests and a reference still out standing or is it just proof of previous employment?

Congratulations

Have you had the formal offer email from. HR? There's a couple of forms to fill in with that, then they'll send you info re the medical, you have to book that yourself, if you're lucky it may be on the south coast or even London....
 

Alan77

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Congratulations

Have you had the formal offer email from. HR? There's a couple of forms to fill in with that, then they'll send you info re the medical, you have to book that yourself, if you're lucky it may be on the south coast or even London....
Thanks mate,

Not hadn’t an email yet but they said it’s coming, my online account status was changed this morning so guess I might get it tomorrow. It’s just the references I was wondering about as my previous employer is very slow on admin and was just thinking if they can slow things down a lot if NR are waiting for a reference.
 

Dannygee

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Thanks mate,

Not hadn’t an email yet but they said it’s coming, my online account status was changed this morning so guess I might get it tomorrow. It’s just the references I was wondering about as my previous employer is very slow on admin and was just thinking if they can slow things down a lot if NR are waiting for a reference.
Be fine mate, as you're no doubt aware, nothing gets done in a hurry on the railway anyway, they'll probably get things moving pending a reference/proof of employment, be fine...
 

nom de guerre

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Does anyone have the 2018 up to date pay matrix they could PM me and current NR London allowances?

Pay matrix (hopefully) attached below

Inner London allowance (under 16 miles from Charing X) = not sure. Pretty sure it's been mentioned here previously and don't think it's changed
Outer London allowance (16-40 miles from Charing X) = £2400
South East allowance = £630

You're entitled to Inner or Outer, plus SE
 

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Alan77

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Pay matrix (hopefully) attached below

Inner London allowance (under 16 miles from Charing X) = not sure. Pretty sure it's been mentioned here previously and don't think it's changed
Outer London allowance (16-40 miles from Charing X) = £2400
South East allowance = £630

You're entitled to Inner or Outer, plus SE
This makes an interesting read, what’s the night shift allowance all about? Is that additional pay just for working a night shift?
 

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This makes an interesting read, what’s the night shift allowance all about? Is that additional pay just for working a night shift?

Nights (hours between 2200 - 0600) are paid at 110%. So if you work the full eight hours between 2200 and 0600 you get an extra £12.18 as a grade 2.
 

Alan77

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Correct!
Nice isn't it?

It’s very nice, I’ve been trying to work out roughly what the basic salary is for a grade 5, with spot rate, Sunday’s and night shift allowance I think I must be well off the mark otherwise this job is very well paid and I should have joined up years ago!
 

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It’s very nice, I’ve been trying to work out roughly what the basic salary is for a grade 5, with spot rate, Sunday’s and night shift allowance I think I must be well off the mark otherwise this job is very well paid and I should have joined up years ago!

Add £5K to the base salary, and you won't be far off.
 

Tom Quinne

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£36,365 is the basic Grade 5 Rate, even with minimum booked Sunday and night rates you’d be on circa £42,000 plus at RDW/Sundays you picked up.

Grade 5 with Relief premium would be:
12% £40,728
18% £42,910
24% £45,092
32% £48,001

Basic salary.
 

choochoobacca

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I've a couple of questions regarding salary while training: (I'm looking at another position to add to the ever growing application list and trying to decide if it's financially viable)
I understand it is paid at the grade below the actual position. Is this also the case if grade the position was for grade 2? Paid grade 1 during training?
Does the training salary run for the full year?
Do trainee signallers also get paid the various Sunday rates, night rates RDW etc?

Regarding the pay matrix, I need to ask an obvious question (please forgive my ignorance but I'm coming from an industry where there was no difference in pay for working nights, Sundays, holidays etc,) as the figures are pretty astonishing to me - are the payments quoted the actual figure you take home, on top of the basic salary, each time? So a grade 7 takes home upwards of £400 every time he works a 12 hr Sunday?

Many thanks for any info (and apologies if these have been answered previously but it's some months since I joined and read the preceding 74 pages)
 

TRain87

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Yes even if the job you're applying for is grade 2, you still get the grade below wage.

Training grade is until you pass out the box, be it in 8 weeks or 8 months.

Trainees will work a flat Monday - Friday, you will be required to work a set of night shift as a minimum before passing out and you will be paid the extra for those shifts... You are not entitled to any Sundays or RDW while training.

The amounts you see on the matrix are all PRE-tax, so if you are a grade 3, and you do a week of nights on an 8 hour roster, you do (6 x 8 hour day rate) + (6 x night shift premium) + 8 hour Sunday = weekly pay - tax and N. I

Still incredible money, grade 3s on 8 hour rosters, that work their booked Sundays and booked nights take home in the region of £2500 - £2600 without RDW
 

choochoobacca

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Yes even if the job you're applying for is grade 2, you still get the grade below wage.

Training grade is until you pass out the box, be it in 8 weeks or 8 months.

Trainees will work a flat Monday - Friday, you will be required to work a set of night shift as a minimum before passing out and you will be paid the extra for those shifts... You are not entitled to any Sundays or RDW while training.

The amounts you see on the matrix are all PRE-tax, so if you are a grade 3, and you do a week of nights on an 8 hour roster, you do (6 x 8 hour day rate) + (6 x night shift premium) + 8 hour Sunday = weekly pay - tax and N. I

Still incredible money, grade 3s on 8 hour rosters, that work their booked Sundays and booked nights take home in the region of £2500 - £2600 without RDW


Many thanks TRain87, that all makes sense.
 

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Regarding the pay matrix, I need to ask an obvious question (please forgive my ignorance but I'm coming from an industry where there was no difference in pay for working nights, Sundays, holidays etc,) as the figures are pretty astonishing to me - are the payments quoted the actual figure you take home, on top of the basic salary, each time? So a grade 7 takes home upwards of £400 every time he works a 12 hr Sunday?

Many thanks for any info (and apologies if these have been answered previously but it's some months since I joined and read the preceding 74 pages)
See the information provided by TRain87. However in response to your particular question above; then yes you aren't far out. A Grade 7 working the following would be paid (pre Tax):

Code:
12hr Sunday Day    £410.99
12hr Sunday Night (18-06)*    £395.01
12hr Sunday Night (19-07)*    £389.30
8hr Sunday Day    £274.00

* = Shift value inclusive of night shift allowance
 

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Is it possible for signal boxes to have grading oddities? I know tph and complexities of regulation influence grade of boxes, but two vacancies today puzzled me on the tyne valley line. Wylam vs haydon bridge on tyne valley line. Wylam has more tph as as the hexham terminating trains, both control level crossing gates by the station. Yet wylam is a 2 haydon bridge is a 3.
 

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Trainees will work a flat Monday - Friday, you will be required to work a set of night shift as a minimum before passing out and you will be paid the extra for those shifts... You are not entitled to any Sundays.

Not strictly correct for all locations.
 

nom de guerre

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Is it possible for signal boxes to have grading oddities? I know tph and complexities of regulation influence grade of boxes, but two vacancies today puzzled me on the tyne valley line. Wylam vs haydon bridge on tyne valley line. Wylam has more tph as as the hexham terminating trains, both control level crossing gates by the station. Yet wylam is a 2 haydon bridge is a 3.

Yes, it is possible. I've personally encountered a couple.

Having said that, there are a multitude of factors used to assess grading, some of which may be less immediately obvious. The most recent upgrade application at my place required a fair amount of detail - everything from the total number of point ends to the volume of calls at user worked crossings.
 

nom de guerre

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Not strictly correct for all locations.

I've never worked a set of nights while learning a box - just an odd one here and there, to handle something specific (eg a T3, regular recurring line blockages or depot shunting). Don't think I did any prior to passing out at my current location!
 
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Hi folks, do any of you know if credit checks are performed before confirming an offer for a signalling position? Have a bit of adverse history on my file and I’m just wondering if it’s worth mentioning to HR before they uncover some things that they may not like the look of. Thanks
 

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