Feltham Problems?

[SWT Driver]

Because of a problem with a river bridge in the Feltham area, buses are replacing trains between Staines and Twickenham?

What river?

The Longford or Crane both of which are mostly underground!

 

[RoSi]

I just had an echo from friend of mine, that disruption will continue for another 2 weeks (regarding to rail workers) and they were talking about some 'crash down'.

Nothing official.

But which bridge in Feltham, ... I will be interesting, because as far i know, there is none.

 

[SWT Driver]

There are three!

The Longford near the station & Crane which is split into two up near the RM sorting office.

 

[GB]

I dont know the area so the loction means nothing to me but the bridge concerned is River Crane Bridge ( Bridge No. 3/48 )

Reports suggest that ballast and brick work has been washed away and half the bridge is at risk of collapsing.

 

[RoSi]

GB, thank You for the accurate update.
SWT Driver, So it is the bridge(s) by the RM Sorting Offices, thanks for the explanation. Needed to close in through satellite view - to view them.

 

[Oracle]

I come from Feltham, and spent enought ime in the Sixties standing on the footbridge with the steam freights going under...but even I am puzzled as to which bridge! Does that mean that Twickenham 'Rugby' bay will be used?

 

[RoSi]

Oracle, Regarding to GB, it is this bridge (follow the link to Google Maps)

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=feltham&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=17.308821,45.439453&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Feltham,+Middlesex,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.451301,-0.389897&spn=0.001112,0.002773&t=h&z=19

As "Twickenham 'Rugby' bay" You mean Twickenham's platform which is not in use and is behind the fence in Twickenham station?

 

[Oracle]

Originally the SR built two east-end bay platforms for Rugby traffic, and I recall that there were two tracks in the Sixties. A quicke perusal of aerial shots seems to show that the southernmost bay platform is still there.

And slap me with a kipper! I now know which river bridge you are talking about...it ran through the site of the Feltham Marshalling Yard and Shed. As can be seen it is now partly occupied by warehousing etc. Thanks for that!

 

[TW7]

Hello chaps, looks like GB is spot on with the bridge details. River Crane bridge 3/48. Its the one with the footpath on the down line.

Potentially looks like the whole structure might be replaced, lots of missing ballast and alot of damage to the concrete....could cause problems for quite some time!

 

[GB]

Has there been alot of rain down that way then??

 

[andylloyd]

Has there been alot of rain down that way then??

There has been a fair bit yes since friday evening.....
Am back off home to the toon though this afternoon so I get a chance to see what its been like there too

 

[will1337]

It's nearer Whitton station than Feltham. May have to have a look if it's possible. Thankfully the Hounslow loop trains are still on as it's down from the junction although I believe that Feltham is a two platform station so not sure how the services are still working logistically with terminations. Quite a busy stretch as there are are the Weybridge via Hounslow, Windsor and Reading trains.

 

[fgwrich]

Has there been alot of rain down that way then??

There has been a fair bit yes since friday evening.....

CRIKEY...

Basically...YES...


Even in Eastleigh on satuday there was a thunderstorm...aswell as very heavy rain pretty much all day friday and satuday aswell as very strong winds...

Hello chaps, looks like GB is spot on with the bridge details. River Crane bridge 3/48. Its the one with the footpath on the down line.

Potentially looks like the whole structure might be replaced, lots of missing ballast and alot of damage to the concrete....could cause problems for quite some time!

Crikey...so thats the Diversionary routes buggerd if there is anymore engineering works coming up on both the southern mainline and the GWML... Becasue, afterall, if your going into london and theres engineering works going into padd, you might want to go via swt to london...and of course SWT use the route via Twickers, Feltham, Stains and Virginia water to West Byfleet and Woking for engineering work diversians...

Meaning the only diversionary route left between clapham and woking is up via the District line at Wimbledon to Putney and down the ramp...

Shall be interesting to see what happens over the next few months...

As for Twikenhams Rugby Bay...Hopefully it will be used again...Even though, they dont seem to use it much even when the Rugbys on! :roll:

 

[Oracle]

How are trains reversing at Feltham please?

 

[LondonLarry]

As for Twikenhams Rugby Bay...Hopefully it will be used again...Even though, they dont seem to use it much even when the Rugbys on! :roll:

I think, operationally, it's easier to use the through platforms. I've been on a few specials which run via the Hounslow loop so drivers don't have to change ends.

 

[Edvid]

A picture of the damaged culvert has appeared on a local news site (click here for related news article).

 

[GB]

Thanks for the link and the picture...looks in a bit of a state!

I wonder if the walker that noticed the crack forming actually told anyone?

 

[Wyvern]

Thanks for the link and the picture...looks in a bit of a state!

I wonder if the walker that noticed the crack forming actually told anyone?

And would anything have been done?

 

[GB]

And would anything have been done?

Id like to think so. Round here bridge damage and bridge strikes are taken pretty seriously.

 

[SWT Driver]

How are trains reversing at Feltham please?

IF they're allowing them to Feltham then they can go into the UP platform terminate, then go up just short of the point of obstruction change ends & then use a crossover from UP to DN lines & restart from the DN platform.

It's either that or SLW over the UP line between Staines & Feltham, but I'd have thought that the former would be the easiest to implement.

 

[class377man]

According to the National Rail site, trains are running between Reading and Staines, diversionary services from Staines to Waterloo via Weybridge and Surbiton, Waterloo and Clapham passengers from the Reading direction advised to change at Virginia Water.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
FGW accepting tickets to/from Reading and Windsor as well.

 

[SWT Driver]

They can't re-route the Waterloo-Reading services today like they used to as there's too many trains on the Main side & it causes conflicts at Weybridge, even then you still need to reverse at Virginia Water as well & getting through an 8 car 458 is time consuming and difficult as you can't guarantee that the (Staff Only) corridor connection will be up.

It would be a lot easier if the Western Chord (Avoiding Line) at Virginia Water was still in existence, but it's not.

 

[thefab444]

of course SWT use the route via Twickers, Feltham, Stains and Virginia water to West Byfleet and Woking for engineering work diversians...

Meaning the only diversionary route left between clapham and woking is up via the District line at Wimbledon to Putney and down the ramp...

SWT have previously run Weymouth trains via Effingham, Guildford (reverse) and Woking (reverse), so I shouldn't think this will be a major problem for the next two weeks.

 

[Helvellyn]

Until January the big engineering works taking place are Axminster Loop and Southampton Tunnel, so I'd imagine anything up the London end will be mainly overnight stuff, and the 01:05 (which is the train most frequently diverted all over the shop) can just as easily run via the Hounslow Loop as via Richmond if the Mainline is shut.

More problematic will be any incident on the Mainline, or the Hounslow Loop, as then capacity to divert trains will be much more affected. For anyone living in Ascot it'll be easier to get to London (on SWT) via Aldershot rather than change at Virginia Water and Weybridge.

 

[holyflyer]

Presumably most NLL - Woking - Eastleigh freight, that currently routes via Kew & Hounslow will now route either via Kensington Olympia & Clapham Junc or Acton - GWML - Reading - Basingstoke. If anyone knows any definite freight diversions I would be interested.

 

[SWT Driver]

SWT have previously run Weymouth trains via Effingham, Guildford (reverse) and Woking (reverse), so I shouldn't think this will be a major problem for the next two weeks.

Why do a double reversal??

Oh, of course I forgot, SWT's wonderfully incompetent, inept & shortsighted manglement have cut all of the route knowledge back to the point where apart from one or two individuals don't know any of the diversionary routes!

I'm the only one at my depot who can divert a Pompey direct service via Eastleigh should the need arise, otherwise they're stuffed.

Waterloo drivers don't know beyond Guildford.

Basingstoke don't know Woking to Guildford or any others out of Guildford, a few know the Byfleet Curve & East Putney.

Guildford don't know beyond Pirbright Junction, so MUST go to Alton line, they don't know the East Putney either or Byfleet Curve.

Bournemouth only know the Pompey Direct courtesy of a special train that runs ECS from Soton to Guildford/Woking via Netley.

Fratton know both ways to Waterloo, via Eastleigh & Guildford, they also know the Newline, but not Effingham-Epsom-Raynes Park, the Byfleet Curve or East Putney.

SWT could really be up $hi7 creek if something goes wrong now and in a utterly vindictive way I hope it happens, because it's only by it going wrong like that will it highlight the managerial incompetence & penny pinching nature of SWT.

 

[fgwrich]

Why do a double reversal??

Oh, of course I forgot, SWT's wonderfully incompetent, inept & shortsighted manglement have cut all of the route knowledge back to the point where apart from one or two individuals don't know any of the diversionary routes!



SWT could really be up $hi7 creek if something goes wrong now and in a utterly vindictive way I hope it happens, because it's only by it going wrong like that will it highlight the managerial incompetence & penny pinching nature of SWT.

With SWT...Nothings a Supprise :roll:

Thinking about it, ive once had a 01:05 Via Guilford and Woking...Didnt get back in basingstoke till at least 03:15...

And SWT Driver...Despite the fact i moraly shouldnt...I DO Actually agree with you in hoping something over the next few weeks sends SWT Up $hi7 creek...Im just waiting till the day when Management fails massivly and goodbye South West Trains...

Speaking of SWT, Why do they have to up the Off Peak fares from december...Does Stagecoach flipping want anyone to travel with them anymore! When ironicly FGW are freezing some, and lowering others going into london...

Oh well...at least theres luck for passengers in sotton & porstmouth, with the arrival of The Greyhound... From First...

http://www.greyhounduk.com/

As we all know..coach travel is pretty carp...but what would you prefer commuting on...A Cramped 450 to london...or a greyhound with free wifi, toilets, legroom, power sockets, Free newspaper aswell as the modern coach features...

Me Thinks SWT are going to have to battle hard to stop people using Firsts Greyhounds...

I know who i now enjoy travelling with to get into london...

 

[SWT Driver]

I saw one of those greyhound coaches today, looks very nice & a darn sight more comfortable that a poxy 444/450.

 

[Helvellyn]

Speaking of SWT, Why do they have to up the Off Peak fares from december...Does Stagecoach flipping want anyone to travel with them anymore! When ironicly FGW are freezing some, and lowering others going into london...

Oh well...at least theres luck for passengers in sotton & porstmouth, with the arrival of The Greyhound... From First...

http://www.greyhounduk.com/

As we all know..coach travel is pretty carp...but what would you prefer commuting on...A Cramped 450 to london...or a greyhound with free wifi, toilets, legroom, power sockets, Free newspaper aswell as the modern coach features...

Me Thinks SWT are going to have to battle hard to stop people using Firsts Greyhounds...

I know who i now enjoy travelling with to get into london...

Yet SWT have massively increased the number of megatrains to both Southampton and Portsmouth, and that type of book-ahead service is how Stagecoach/SWT are competing with First/Greyhound.

 

[thefab444]

Why do a double reversal??

Can't quite remember, either line shut south of Guildford, or it was quicker to divert with a double reversal, or something from London needed to serve Woking - I believe Byfleet - Woking was shut on this occasion.