SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[Kite159]

It will be interesting to see the pictures of that 444 with 2+2 seating in first class, certainly I can see the appeal for it decreasing, especially at weekends.

 

[Nammer]

Yes I have seen a couple of 450s like that. 555 is one, unrefurbished, with SWR internal branding.

 

[pompeyfan]

Yes I have seen a couple of 450s like that. 555 is one, unrefurbished, with SWR internal branding.

I’ve noticed that the SWT route maps above the doors are starting to be removed as well.

 

[traji00]

I’ve noticed that the SWT route maps above the doors are starting to be removed as well.

And about time as well. The suburban maps in the 455s still advise a change at Richmond for North Woolwich, and at Waterloo for the Eurostar!

 

[theironroad]

And about time as well. The suburban maps in the 455s still advise a change at Waterloo for the Eurostar!

Not doubting what u say, but that seems extraordinary considering Eurostar moved well over 10 years ago.

 

[Goldfish62]

And about time as well. The suburban maps in the 455s still advise a change at Waterloo for the Eurostar!

There are still notices in some of the 458s giving details of the predecessors to London Travelwatch and Passenger Focus.

 

[TEW]

The 455 maps also still state that Kempton Park is open on race days only. Think there is also reference to interchange for North London Line services to North Woolwich at either Richmond or Clapham Junction.

 

[lewisf]

And they also advertise services to 'cystal palace' [sic] at Clapham Junction

 

[theironroad]

They are not available online, only for internal use for now. Both 450113 and 444040 are expected to enter service on Monday however so pictures will soon be all over the internet.

Are these units back in traffic today?

Anyone any interior pics?

 

[spark001uk]

Does anyone happen to know what the before-and-after seat counts are on these latest refurbs? (444/450)

 

[swt_passenger]

Does anyone happen to know what the before-and-after seat counts are on these latest refurbs? (444/450)

444 = 333/32F, was 299/35F
450 = 264/16F, was 240/24F
450/5 = 264/16F, was 221/24F
From franchise agreement, page 176:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...rn-railways-2017-rail-franchise-agreement.pdf

 

[theironroad]

444 = 333/32F, was 299/35F
450 = 264/16F, was 240/24F
450/5 = 264/16F, was 221/24F
From franchise agreement, page 176:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...rn-railways-2017-rail-franchise-agreement.pdf

34 more std seats in a 444 is more than I thought.

Guess quite a few of those must be from the buffet/office removal.

 

[spark001uk]

444 = 333/32F, was 299/35F
450 = 264/16F, was 240/24F
450/5 = 264/16F, was 221/24F
From franchise agreement, page 176:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...rn-railways-2017-rail-franchise-agreement.pdf

Thanks, interesting document. I notice that despite the more aggressive reduction in 1st in the 450 over the 444, there's not as much of an increase in standard. Looking at the table I'm assuming this is made up for by the larger increase in its standing room (+23 in 450 vs +2 in 444)?

 

[swt_passenger]

34 more std seats in a 444 is more than I thought.

Guess quite a few of those must be from the buffet/office removal.

I reckon a high proportion of the total comes from the composite coach changes. Because the first class changes from 2+1 (12 rows) to 2+2 (8 rows) the bulkhead between the classes can be moved to the middle of the coach. I reckon that could give 12 (or even 16?) extra standard seats in that coach.

 

[fgwrich]

Having seen some pictures (not released to the public yet) of the composite coach, I have to say I'm a little underwhelmed to be honest. I'd have expected a little more of SWR & Siemens for the 444 that after a year in the works, Most of the traces of SWT would have been eliminated by now.

 

[spark001uk]

Having seen some pictures (not released to the public yet) of the composite coach, I have to say I'm a little underwhelmed to be honest. I'd have expected a little more of SWR & Siemens for the 444 that after a year in the works, Most of the traces of SWT would have been eliminated by now.

Have they fitted the promised inductive chargers into the tables in 1st I wonder?

 

[theironroad]

Surely if these two units are roaming around ,then someone must have some piccys......

 

[TEW]

I'm guessing the lack of pictures means that they aren't out and about yet. If you work for SWR there should be some pictures displayed in one of the notice cases.

 

[spark001uk]

Last entry on the system for 444040 and 450113 was a move (together) from Northam depot to Farnham depot on 30/10.

 

[Goldfish62]

I wonder how long we'll have to wait for the next units to appear. To achieve any sort of volume they should be being churned out at the rate of 2-3 units per week. I guess the pigs coming back will allow more 450s to be worked on at the same time.

 

[theironroad]

I'm guessing the lack of pictures means that they aren't out and about yet. If you work for SWR there should be some pictures displayed in one of the notice cases.

Oh, ok. I'll have a look later. Not much point in looking on 'the platform' as most of it doesn't seem to get updated anymore.

 

[pompeyfan]

Oh, ok. I'll have a look later. Not much point in looking on 'the platform' as most of it doesn't seem to get updated anymore.

Guards were sent an email with high res pictures from Andrew Fairbanks, if your guard hasn’t already deleted the email maybe they could show you?

 

[spark001uk]

I don't get all the cloak and dagger routine myself. These refurbs were done for the travelling public after all, and they're going to see it soon enough anyway.

 

[Goldfish62]

I'm currently sat on an unrefurbished with internal SWR signage.

Unusually it's substituting for a 458 working on the Reading line.

 

[whhistle]

Is the balance more in favour of the new livery now?
Or is there still a lot of SWT with SWR logos?

 

[theironroad]

I'm guessing the lack of pictures means that they aren't out and about yet. If you work for SWR there should be some pictures displayed in one of the notice cases.

Guards were sent an email with high res pictures from Andrew Fairbanks, if your guard hasn’t already deleted the email maybe they could show you?

Cheers. I did see the notice in the notice case yesterday, though the photo size and quality didn't reaaly show much. I did also read the extensive instructions about guard location etc ...

 

[TEW]

Is the balance more in favour of the new livery now?
Or is there still a lot of SWT with SWR logos?

There is still just the 1 444 and 1 450 in the livery, and that 444 hasn't worked in nearly a year. There are more 158s and 159s in the new livery.

 

[pompeyfan]

There is still just the 1 444 and 1 450 in the livery, and that 444 hasn't worked in nearly a year. There are more 158s and 159s in the new livery.

Is there not now 2 450s in the new colours? 450111 and 450113?

 

[nuts & bolts]

I don't get all the cloak and dagger routine myself. These refurbs were done for the travelling public after all, and they're going to see it soon enough anyway.

Would the Guards have permission to share these images on social media?

I think not!

 

[43096]

I'm currently sat on an unrefurbished with internal SWR signage.

Unusually it's substituting for a 458 working on the Reading line.

450 I presume?

If so, there are still diagrammed 450s to Reading through the day.