They're curved, some of them quite significantlyI'm not too familiar with York. What makes these platforms supposedly high-risk?
So self dispatch was deemed inappropriate following a risk assessment but then, after no "Train Monitors" showed up on the first morning, it suddenly became OK again. You couldn't make it up.
1. Why can't the existing station staff monitor for risks? Why have different dispatch or platform staff for different TOCs? This is not a good idea and seems to be something which happens at certain stations for no known reason.
2. The platforms may be curved, but the current formations are not especially long. It beggars belief that such a short train as a 3 coach 185 could need up to three people monitoring its departure.
1. Why can't the existing station staff monitor for risks? Why have different dispatch or platform staff for different TOCs? This is not a good idea and seems to be something which happens at certain stations for no known reason.
2. The platforms may be curved, but the current formations are not especially long. It beggars belief that such a short train as a 3 coach 185 could need up to three people monitoring its departure.
No station staff should prioritise any company over another, no matter who they work for.I suppose the existing station staff look after LNER and will continue to prioritise and focus on them.
And slightly less cryptically, they need to be trained so they can monitor / know what to watch out for :PIndeed my reading is that they're dispatch trained so they can dispatch the new trains not just watch them!
I too wondered why 10 (for reference the other side of the island to 11) wasn’t included
I don't think it means 3 on each platform, it means 3 in total, so there can be one for each dispatch.
I do think there is some merit in this; with most DMUs there is no scope for the guard to watch the train out of the platform. But surely with Class 185s having cab droplights the guard can do this?
Hand / Verbal signal to the guard ?But as they have no way to stop the train what is the point or benefit.
But as they have no way to stop the train what is the point or benefit.
Hand / Verbal signal to the guard ?
It very clearly states that the guard is to be in the rear cab and to watch for the "two hands raised" emergency stop signal.
Wouldn't dispatch responsibility be LNER staff at the station though?
I'm guessing -
Convex platform - obscured by train bodyside
Concave platform - you can see it all from the back
Other platforms chosen probably have either high volume footfall or physical obstacles such as pillars or stupidly placed Selecta vending machines (which they did on 9 some years ago under GNER) totally blocking the dispatch corridor, the signal AND the off indicator.
1. Why can't the existing station staff monitor for risks? Why have different dispatch or platform staff for different TOCs? This is not a good idea and seems to be something which happens at certain stations for no known reason.
2. The platforms may be curved, but the current formations are not especially long. It beggars belief that such a short train as a 3 coach 185 could need up to three people monitoring its departure.
TPE generally with the odd exception (Lime Street and Oxford Road use Northern staff, Virgin Trains stations use their staff, not sure who does Glasgow and Edinburgh) self dispatch and where they dispatch their own trains use agency dispatch staff on much less favourable terms than normal. When a friend was doing it at Piccadilly 12 hour turns running around everywhere were the order of the day.
They don't like paying other companies to do it.
This isn't always true. At my new place, I'll be only dispatching my own companies trains. Also there are a lot of places where you cannot under any circumstances self dispatch.No station staff should prioritise any company over another, no matter who they work for.
Some stations have dispatch staff but if they're too busy (during disruption), the train will self-dispatch anyway.
No station staff should prioritise any company over another, no matter who they work for.
Some stations have dispatch staff but if they're too busy (during disruption), the train will self-dispatch anyway.
TPE generally with the odd exception (Lime Street and Oxford Road use Northern staff, Virgin Trains stations use their staff, not sure who does Glasgow and Edinburgh) self dispatch and where they dispatch their own trains use agency dispatch staff on much less favourable terms than normal. When a friend was doing it at Piccadilly 12 hour turns running around everywhere were the order of the day.
They don't like paying other companies to do it.
Yes it's quite common in the South East area.Really, agency staff dispatching? How do they keep on top of competence management using temp staff? Sounds a bit bizarre in a safety critical role. What if they put them through the full training, passed them out and they left without notice as agency staff sometimes do when they find a permanent job?