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Trivia - Obsolete Railway Terms still used

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AndrewE

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CAPE and PINE surely? They’re telegraph codes AFAIK
VICE is (a maybe exclusively) railway telegraph code still in use as well, I think. Confuses outsiders.
Pencils used to have lead in them however it’s 2019 and they now have nothing to do with lead.
Pencils have never contained lead - apart from maybe in the paint on the outside! The writing medium has always been graphite, aka blacklead. You have not suggested an obsolete term, but a misunderstanding instead.
 
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The "F" in "ASLEF"

Of course, I suppose the defence would be to suggest that trade unions are all living in the past anyway......
 

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The same people who still refer to "British Rail" or even "British Railways" will often use terms such as "Second Class" or "Buffet", even though these terms havent been officially used in years
 

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Wasnt the E in ASLEF for Engineers and the F for Fireman so the F is redundant
I think you are right and I had forgotten, so both letters are wrong now. Engineers are not people who drive things, or even people who can work a lathe. (Some engineers can, though.)
 
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Spelling connection as connexion is also obsolete now :) The GWR used to like this for "train connexion at junction". It went along with "tickets must be shewn" covered above. Language does change.

The various terms corridor, gangway and vestibule get used interchangeably. Open saloon stock, now normal, used to get called Centre Corridor stock. Traditionally you had all three, or none, on a coach. One that has disappeared is calling a single compartment a "Carriage".

The LMS referred to open saloons as vestibule stock.
 

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I don't think any Glaswegian (and I am one) has ever referred to the Subway as the Underground. My dad certainly didn't, and he was born in 1913.
 

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"cheap tickets" is a phrase no longer relevant or valid
Is the phrase "cheap day return" now used on any tickets? I still think of offpeak day return tickets under those iconic words.
I think it stemmed from an offpeak day return ticket in SE England usually costing only a few pence more than a single and that certainly still applies on many routes. Just 10p difference, 5p with railcard.
 

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Well there is still a Railtrack sign on the bridge just before Chippenham station.

Luckily points is still being used but when testing takes place we have to refer to which switch (rail) is closed.

Another one that I can't stop saying is London Midland instead of LNWR and WMR. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I have always known a set of 'switches' as a set of 'points' - it is less ambiguous in electrical terms. TOCs/NR/NRE still usually refer to points failures as just that.
Well there is still a Railtrack sign on the bridge just before Chippenham station.

Luckily points is still being used but when testing takes place we have to refer to which switch (rail) is closed.

Another one that I can't stop saying is London Midland instead of LNWR and WMR. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Yes - the presence of old signs isn't necessarily a fair indicator of obsolescence in the same way that is the current usage of terms, the meaning of which have become obscure or irrelevant.
 

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To hear an undergroud driver say "sticks off" is quite common, anyone know when the last stick existed on the Underground.
Not sure, but the last 'stick' at an underground station was surprisingly recently at Greenford, controlling the centre (ex-GW) bay. It went in about 2015, I think. My picture shows its incongruity with Central line 1990 stock. This was possibly the last regular passenger route semaphore this close to central London by a fair margin, but I may have overlooked somewhere else.

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A common one, but I suppose 'head-code" is somewhat obsolete, given locomotives haven't carried a code on the front for years.

I've found Hitachi's appropriation of the word "express" in IET obsolete/incorrect - an express in the true sense wouldn't stop every 15-20 minutes between Reading and Bristol.
Head-code is still very valid, both in off-train sources and on-train form. My local line (the North Downs) is operated by GWR class 165s and 166s and these display two-number route codes in their destination displays. SWT/SWR 'Desiros' often show their four character codes in their dot-matrix screens, most often ECS 5Xxx codes. SWT/SWR class 455s had two-number route codes on their roller blinds until very recently and probably still do.
 

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That is the sign for a level crossing without gates or barriers.
The normal sign for a gate or barrier level crossing (image of a gate) is easily recognisable despite there being a lot less gated crossings around these days. When AHB's were first introduced there was a road sign specifically for them, depicting an image of them from above. I believe it soon fell into disuse due to confusion from motorists, to replaced by the more familiar gate sign.
I would have thought there would be a case for the use of a single type of sign for all types of level crossings (anf the steam silhouette is probably the most unmistakable) - surely the only reason to want to know that the crossing ahead is un-gated or AHB is to be able to prepare to drive round the half barriers or simply straight 'through' the lights at an un-gated one. Efforts to persuade drivers to respect crossings might be aided by not giving them notice of the opportunity to take the risk.
 

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The obsolete term which causes the most (pointless) controversy is yellow signal.
Semaphores were/are yellow. Colour aspect signals are amber but woe betide anybody who says an amber signal. The amount of anger that can cause is similar to insulting somebody's granny.
 

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It was firmly impressed on me in the 1970s (in the middle of the 4-aspect colour light WCML) that while road traffic lights might be amber, railway signals are YELLOW. Both when doing the Safe Working of Trains course, and when dealing with the people testing the batches of signal lenses (against specs) before they were cleared for assembly at the manufacturers.
Maybe the post-privatisation management slapped down the old ways to help gig economy workers fit in.
 

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The obsolete term which causes the most (pointless) controversy is yellow signal.
Semaphores were/are yellow. Colour aspect signals are amber but woe betide anybody who says an amber signal. The amount of anger that can cause is similar to insulting somebody's granny.

Yellow is arguably coming back into relevance a bit though, I find LED signals have a more yellow yellow than lamp ones did.
 

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Vice for "instead of" or “in place of" is a borrowing from Latin. Used in the military before the railway, although obsolete elsewhere.
 

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At Waterloo we still have people referring to “The Solari” which means the control point for the station indicator and PA system. But it’s not been a Solari (the Italian manufacturer of the flap indicator system) for the biggest part of 20 years.

Many years ago, in BR days, I remember waiting at Peterborough on a Sunday for a train to York when the Station Supervisor announced via the PA (no Announcer on a Sunday) that the next train to York would travel “via the joint line”. Being a railwayman I knew this meant the GE/GN Joint line but not many of those waiting understood what it meant!
 

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Or e

or even conductor

Or even ticket collector, which strictly speaking meant someone who collected up the used tickets. I suppose referring to guards or conductors as ticket collectors is a throwback to the days when revenue protection relied mainly on manned ticket barriers at stations rather than on-train checks (i.e. up until the 1970s or '80s).
 
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