a double pairing of 4-car units...?For the avoidance of doubt, the 769s have been wandering around the GCR as an 8 car set today.
a double pairing of 4-car units...?
769s therefore plural and 8 car set when they're 4 car units? It's really not hard.
I'll have another go.
The pair of 4 car 769s were apparently parked close to one another and then banged together in a controlled collision to create an 8 carriage train formed of 2 x 4 carriage units coupled together.
So it’s 2x 3 cars and a 2 car?
Is it going to become the first bi-mode parcels train?769431 has been fully stripped out inside and in warm storage at Allerton Depot along with 769424
They were both inside a couple of days ago...Heading to LSP tomorrow, from the station footbridge looking into Allerton TMD can you see the 769s?
Thanks
It was more checking than trying to piss you off! Apologies if it came across to you that way. Brilliant descriptive sarc though769s therefore plural and 8 car set when they're 4 car units? It's really not hard.
I'll have another go.
The pair of 4 car 769s were apparently parked close to one another and then banged together in a controlled collision to create an 8 carriage train formed of 2 x 4 carriage units coupled together.
Did I read somewhere that closer to 100mph is possible on parts of the electrified section? If so could they beat a 158 end to end? I have always thought this line would see more use if you could get the journey time down a bit. You could even run the trains up to Glasgow under the wires to bring about a direct Leeds - Glasgow.Probably quite well. The theoretical 90mph maximum when diesel powered would be a fair match for the line's 75mph stretches and the long but relatively gentle 1% gradient shouldn't be too much of an issue.
In a 319? they are hardly suited to that sort of journey length! I love them for the improvement they have brought to our previously Pacer-worked lines and the possibilities they offer for the Windermere branch, but across the Settle and Carlisle? I think (hope) not... let's have shortened redundant HSTs from Nottingham to Carlisle, & maybe on to Glasgow via the G&SW...Did I read somewhere that closer to 100mph is possible on parts of the electrified section? If so could they beat a 158 end to end? I have always thought this line would see more use if you could get the journey time down a bit. You could even run the trains up to Glasgow under the wires to bring about a direct Leeds - Glasgow.
I thought that at first but then I considered the combination of a decent refit plus the opportunity to run quite a bit under the wires. They have big windows and 4 carriages would be welcome on some services. You could even use some capacity to add decent bike provision and a place for walkers to dump big bags and muddy boots. Lets say 2/3 carriages in express plush style, 1/2 in walkers and cyclists mode. Could be a nice solution for a mixed use line that should be able to make more of the fact it gets you into some cracking countryside or up to Scotland.In a 319? they are hardly suited to that sort of journey length! I love them for the improvement they have brought to our previously Pacer-worked lines and the possibilities they offer for the Windermere branch, but across the Settle and Carlisle? I think (hope) not... let's have shortened redundant HSTs from Nottingham to Carlisle, & maybe on to Glasgow via the G&SW...
Sounds good, but I am waiting to see what they can do when they meet a gradient - especially a long one!I thought that at first but then I considered the combination of a decent refit plus the opportunity to run quite a bit under the wires. They have big windows and 4 carriages would be welcome on some services. You could even use some capacity to add decent bike provision and a place for walkers to dump big bags and muddy boots. Lets say 2/3 carriages in express plush style, 1/2 in walkers and cyclists mode. Could be a nice solution for a mixed use line that should be able to make more of the fact it gets you into some cracking countryside or up to Scotland.
I would like to see the same format on Manchester to Sheffield stoppers although the lack of wires obviously means the 769 has limited benefit there except that it is a train that can run on diesel, we hope.
let's have shortened redundant HSTs from Nottingham to Carlisle, & maybe on to Glasgow via the G&SW...
The Settle Carlisle has a ruling gradient of 1% which is much the same as some of the MML over which the 319s kept near to thire 100mph maximum speed for over 30 years. So given that on diesel, they are expected to reach 90mph on the flat, around 75mph on the long drag might be viable. That would be with two small Euro 3b engines per four cars rather than polluting the Pennine wilderness with 1/4 full 40 year old trains.Sounds good, but I am waiting to see what they can do when they meet a gradient - especially a long one!
Your plan would work well if the Hope valley stoppers ran through to Liverpool and Doncaster using the wires whenever they were under them. Better access to the Peak District from more cities without changing trains would be brilliant, especially if they ran semi-fast outside the National Park. Stick to HSTs for the S&C though!
or perhaps this new class 93 loco that's on order with a rake of mk4/5s?Straying off topic, but of you wanted a fast Leeds-Glasgow train over Settle-Carlisle, might 800/802 be a better contender than 769?
What is this Forum's obsession with Leeds - Carlisle - Glasgow? Bearing in mind that there's already a regular service between the two cities (XC every two hours) and the fact that the S&C is limited to 75mph? It's the ultimate Solution In Need Of A Problem for any stock that we don't know what to do with
What is this Forum's obsession with Leeds - Carlisle - Glasgow? Bearing in mind that there's already a regular service between the two cities (XC every two hours) and the fact that the S&C is limited to 75mph? It's the ultimate Solution In Need Of A Problem for any stock that we don't know what to do with (hence it coming up regularly as something to do with 185s).
With 1044hp (about the same as a class 20) to pull 4 heavy coaches not very well I would think.How might the 769's perform on a Leeds to Carlisle run I wonder? I know there are no such plans but feels like an interesting candidate bearing in mind the run of wires to Skipton.
Well as much as I am loving the unleashing of frustration, something of a national sport at the moment, it is actually my first post ever about the S&C.Yes, it's weird in relation to a line that probably should never have been built in the first place...