Locking Passengers In

[alan]

Today the 18:01 EMT service from Long Eaton to Sheffield closed its doors before all the passengers wanting to leave at Long Eaton had alighted. I watched about half a dozen people in one coach alone helplessly stay on the train till Derby. What's the procedure for meridian train doors are they timed or does somebody lock them? It seemed terribly unfair on the passengers that didn't get off in time!

 

[73110]

Why didn't they pull the cord?

 

[Darandio]

Why didn't they pull the cord?

Don't start that one. It isn't an emergency.

 

[222007]

Why didn't they pull the cord?

What an uneducated comment :roll:

 

[the sniper]

Why didn't they just smash their way out like Bengley would?

 

[73110]

"Uneducated comment".......... A bit like the guard then.. :roll:

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Let's not open this can of worms again? It's obvious what 73110 is trying to do - start another common sense versus pulling the cord argument.

 

[Darandio]

"Uneducated comment".......... A bit like the guard then.. :roll:

As before with the other topic (cannot be arsed to link you) we have no facts as yet. Hold back a bit until we know exactly what happened.

 

[73110]

Let's not open this can of worms again? It's obvious what 73110 is trying to do - start another common sense versus pulling the cord argument.

I am not!! Honestly!!

Maybe there is history here about this kind of debate but I am unaware of this if there is.

I just asked why no-one would have done what I would have done - pulled the cord. Whats wrong with that????

 

[the sniper]

Whats wrong with that????

Where's the emergency, for a start?

 

[Darandio]

Because, pulling the cord is an emergency procedure, being on a train and made to travel to the next stop does not constitute an emergency, no matter the reason why you are still on there.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

The cord is there to stop the train in an emergency. Missing your stop is not an emergency.

 

[O L Leigh]

I would have done something that no-one has yet suggested. Talked to the guard.

O L Leigh

 

[Trains06]

Exactly what I would have done O Leigh :P

 

[Bellwater]

That's what i had tonight. i endorsed the pax's ticket and pointed them in the direction of the next train.

They admitted it was their fault as well which was unusual.

 

[devon_metro]

Perhaps the pax didn't leave their seats till the train stopped like many people do then wonder why the train leaves without them.

 

[Pumbaa]

Perhaps the pax didn't leave their seats till the train stopped like many people do then wonder why the train leaves without them.

That's the point of getting off the train surely

 

[ChrisTheRef]

I'm getting crushed between two metal doors, it's an emergency

 

[O L Leigh]

If you'd got yourself wedged in the doors (which, incidentally, you wouldn't because you would have been spotted as an obstacle and the door would have popped open again) there would be no need to pull the cord because the train could not have left the platform. Ergo, no emergency.

O L Leigh

 

[lookapigeon]

I got locked in on a train once (it was quite quiet and at the nice slump time of between 2 and 3); I was getting off at the final stop but I was working on the computer and took a bit of time to pack away and went to the loo on the train.

I came out and tried to get out but the door was locked, so I thought, hmm, maybe it's faulty ... walked to the next carriage and tried the doors but they wouldn't open so it dawned on me that they'd locked me in. About 5 mins of banging on the window later, a train driver walked past and let me off - but I had to go via the driver's door!

 

[dk1]

Dont those people that dither get on your nerves? You sit there & can just see whats going to happen. They have no sense of urgency. The ones that do my head in are those on say a busy Voyager at say York who leave a gap between those getting off in front of them because they were not prepared & then those on the platform start piling in. Arghhhh!!

 

[ukrob]

I'm surprised there is a 'chord' to pull on Meridans - surely they are modern enough to have an emergency intercom?

 

[Bellwater]

Was going to say that Rob... they'll have the flaps like on 158s??

 

[driver9000]

I'm surprised there is a 'chord' to pull on Meridans - surely they are modern enough to have an emergency intercom?

The term 'cord' is one of those traditional terms still used by some people. These days the official name is 'Passenger Communication Apparatus' or PassComm. On modern trains its an electrical switch connected to the brake continuity wire which gets broken when the alarm is pulled applying the brakes. On most trains built since 2000 there is an intercom with the driver who can also override the alarm if the train is in a tunnel for example

 

[ukrob]

The term 'cord' is one of those traditional terms still used by some people. These days the official name is 'Passenger Communication Apparatus' or PassComm. On modern trains its an electrical switch connected to the brake continuity wire which gets broken when the alarm is pulled applying the brakes. On most trains built since 2000 there is an intercom with the driver who can also override the alarm if the train is in a tunnel for example

I know it is a traditional term hence the inverted commas

It certainly does not apply the brakes automatically (and instantly) on some (all?) stock.

 

[northwichcat]

Perhaps the pax didn't leave their seats till the train stopped like many people do then wonder why the train leaves without them.

There's also the possibly that some people decided to not be prompt collecting their luggage so when they got to the luggage racks they finished up blocking the aisle for 15 seconds or so getting their luggage out, the conductor saw no-one else going through the doors even though a lot of people wanted to alight but couldn't get past the person sorting out their luggage and possibly stood up at least 30 seconds before the train stopped.

 

[driver9000]

I know it is a traditional term hence the inverted commas

It certainly does not apply the brakes automatically (and instantly) on some (all?) stock.

The PassComm does apply the brakes automatically, on loco hauled trains it vents the brake pipe and on other trains it breaks the brake continuity wire, as I said on the most recent trains the driver can override the alarm if he/she feels the need to, the alarm is tied into an intercom on some trains but not all. Ive had enough clowns pull them on trains Ive been driving to know how the alarms work

 

[Wyvern]

Perhaps the pax didn't leave their seats till the train stopped like many people do then wonder why the train leaves without them.

I've recently ridden on some Derby buses and I've noticed that no one gets up until the bus has stopped.

I dont know if there's been some safety campaign (I dont read the Derby paper) or whetrher it is the case with other bus companies.

Maybe the pax are applying the same principle on a train?

Having said that until someone appears at a door the TM, being on the p[latform, does not know they are there.

Something similar happened to my daughter the other Saturday.

The train arrived at Belper. A bloke was leaving by the front door of a 158,. Behind him was a woman with a push chair, behind her my daughter.

The bloke alighted but the woman got her push chair stuck, trapping herself and my daughter. The guard, being at the rear on the platform, saw none of this, closed the doors and gave the right away.

The next stop was Ambergate and, they having phoned for a taxi, he gave them a fiver for the trip back to Belper.

Well done EMT.

 

[northwichcat]

I've recently ridden on some Derby buses and I've noticed that no one gets up until the bus has stopped.

I dont know if there's been some safety campaign (I dont read the Derby paper) or whetrher it is the case with other bus companies.

Maybe the pax are applying the same principle on a train?

WYMetro print in timetables that when the bus is approaching you stop press the 'stop' button once and remain in your seat until the bus actually stops.

 

[Vulcan]

I saw a 158 at York all locked up and swtiched off, with a gentleman fast asleep inside.

I have also been on a 333 from Skipton where they shut it down and locked it up for some reason only a few minutes before it was due to depart!