EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Athelstan]

Current tally on the petition is 4,086,721 signatures

 

[Mag_seven]

Correct me if I am wrong, but we have not left yet.

True but we now have a much clearer idea of what will happen once we leave.

 

[Howardh]

I still fail to see why some people don't accept the referendum result.

If the party I voted for didn't get into power, for the next five years I expect my party to put up opposition, to challenge and question the government. Does that mean I or my party "doesn't respect the election result"? If so, then we don't live in a democracy. Then after 5 years I hope that the public will have changed their mind and vote a better government in.

Those leading the Brexit campaign have failed, and let you down. You deserve a vote on the direction Brexit should now take, and one of those options should be to scrap the whole thing.

 

[Senex]

I still fail to see why some people don't accept the referendum result.
What is so difficult to accept that the majority of the people of this country want to leave the EU.

Creating a petition is all well and good, but it doesn't change the fact the majority of the people of this country want to leave and so that is what should happen. Even if you personally think it is a wrong decision, that doesn't change the fact that more people want out than in.

No — the majority of the people of this country *who voted in the referendum wanted* to leave the EU.

 

[Darandio]

No — the majority of the people of this country *who voted in the referendum wanted* to leave the EU.

Which surely is trying to argue that those who didn't vote wouldn't have wanted to leave. They therefore should have voted, the vote would have gone the other way and we wouldn't be part of this whole mess.

 

[dosxuk]

Which surely is trying to argue that those who didn't vote wouldn't have wanted to leave. They therefore should have voted, the vote would have gone the other way and we wouldn't be part of this whole mess.

What about those who weren't eligible to vote, do they not count as citizens of this country? E.g. those who were 15/16/17 at the time of the referendum and are over 18 now? Or those who live in the EU but still hold British citizenship and were excluded?

 

[Jonny]

Bots with thier own independent email adress and bots that then press the confirm button? Also bots that break the website and allow the same email adress to be used more than once?

Aye aye. whatever.

Well maybe, or maybe a few thousand people acting as pseudo bots with burner phones to verify their new email addresses and a couple of hundred email accounts each (takes less than a minute per account), 100 per day would be under two hours' work per day. Say 2,000 of them over 3 days at 100/day (low estimates), that's an easy 600,000 - 5 days to a million. It's actually quite easily done.

 

[Jonny]

Also, someone claims that Elvis Presley has signed 15,000 times. I'm not sure what to make of that, although it is plausible.

 

[Darandio]

What about those who weren't eligible to vote, do they not count as citizens of this country? E.g. those who were 15/16/17 at the time of the referendum and are over 18 now? Or those who live in the EU but still hold British citizenship and were excluded?

I couldn't give a toss about them, they couldn't vote, they didn't choose not to. It's the other clowns i'm talking about, part of that 28% who didn't bother and are now bleating about how terrible it all is. I bet there are loads of them marching today as well.

 

[Puffing Devil]

Well maybe, or maybe a few thousand people acting as pseudo bots with burner phones to verify their new email addresses and a couple of hundred email accounts each (takes less than a minute per account), 100 per day would be under two hours' work per day. Say 2,000 of them over 3 days at 100/day (low estimates), that's an easy 600,000 - 5 days to a million. It's actually quite easily done.

Also, someone claims that Elvis Presley has signed 15,000 times. I'm not sure what to make of that, although it is plausible.

Really? If they can't summon more than 50 on a march, what hope have they of finding 1000 techno-savvy gammon at a moment's notices equipped with burner phones?

And "someone claims"?

I wondered why so many people fell for the Brexit claims, now I know. The ability to analyse and understand before making a rational decision is a dying art.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

I see the spoilt children are out in force today stamping their feet but because something went the way they didn't like.

Despite the overwhelming media pressure of the campaign to remain the majority of the vote was to leave. The lies of either campaign is an anti-democratic red herring - politicians are always selling you lies. The vote to leave in face of the tremendous pressure of media, politicians and so called 'celebrities' is one of the only true democratic votes to have ever been won in this country and yet the loud mouthed minority want to overturn it.

 

[lyndhurst25]

I see the spoilt children are out in force today stamping their feet but because something went the way they didn't like.

Do you mean the anti-Brexit marchers in London, or the pro-Brexit truck drivers who have been blocking the motorways?

 

[DanDaDriver]

The vote to leave in face of the tremendous pressure of media, politicians and so called 'celebrities' is one of the only true democratic votes to have ever been won in this country and yet the loud mouthed minority want to overturn it.

If what you’re saying is true, then all it proves is that we as a country are more than a bit thick.

Nevertheless, pain we voted for and pain we shall have. I don’t care how many diabetics have to die just as long as I don’t have to look at another dirty foreigner coming over and taking jobs I don’t want.

If you’ll excuse me I’m off for an afternoon of self-abuse over my idea of the 1950’s that never actually existed.

 

[Bantamzen]

I see the spoilt children are out in force today stamping their feet but because something went the way they didn't like.

Despite the overwhelming media pressure of the campaign to remain the majority of the vote was to leave. The lies of either campaign is an anti-democratic red herring - politicians are always selling you lies. The vote to leave in face of the tremendous pressure of media, politicians and so called 'celebrities' is one of the only true democratic votes to have ever been won in this country and yet the loud mouthed minority want to overturn it.

Or maybe people are starting to realise that the rainbows and unicorns promised them by the shouty Brexiteers are not going to happen, and that the leavers had no cohisive strategy for leaving the EU.

 

[kermit]

Current tally on the petition is 4,275,842 signatures

 

[takno]

Despite the overwhelming media pressure of the campaign to remain

I'm just going to leave that hanging there with the suggestion that you were clearly drunk for the entire campaign if you were reading and watching the same media as me. They were either wearing the leave interests of their elite proprietors on their sleeves, or they were "balancing" the considered opinions of experts representing the overwhelming majority of their field with off-the-cuff wing-nuttery from utterly discredited zealots like Patrick Minford

 

[Jonny]

Do you mean the anti-Brexit marchers in London, or the pro-Brexit truck drivers who have been blocking the motorways?

I presume the spoiled liberal brats in London who expect us to think critically about everything why not have a bit of faith for once?

Time for a mug of liberal tears... here is a picture of one:

 

[Groningen]

So the votes are not linked to a maximum of 1 vote for every e-mailaccount.

 

[NoMorePacers]

I presume the spoiled liberal brats in London who expect us to think critically about everything why not have a bit of faith for once?

Time for a mug of liberal tears... here is a picture of one:

Well, many Leave voters are mugs after all, so you do have a point.

 

[Jonny]

So the votes are not linked to a maximum of 1 vote for every e-mailaccount.

It takes less than a minute to get a new web-based email address though. And it is also possible to use text-message verification (SMS message from website to 'phone, user then enters code) to allay the suspicions of the automated anti-abuse system. Hence it only takes a few thousand remainers with burner phones and a couple of free hours per day each day to get a few million votes from apparently unique email addresses.

 

[Groningen]

Than maybe the IP-adress, but maybe there is also a way around that.

 

[EM2]

...and yet the loud mouthed minority want to overturn it.

That's not what they've said. They've said let the people vote on the deal. If it's a good deal, people will vote for it, including all 17.4m people that voted Leave.

 

[Howardh]

Well, many Leave voters are mugs after all, so you do have a point.

That Nice Mr Redwood is claiming "it's war" - amongst his own kind. https://www.wokinghampaper.co.uk/br...for-pathetic-whining-and-letting-people-down/

WOKINGHAM MP – and staunch Leaver – Sir John Redwood has this morning blasted his fellow Parliamentary colleagues who back remaining in the EU, accusing them of ‘pathetic whining’ and ‘letting people down’ over quitting Europe.

And he said that due to the delaying of Article 50, meaning the UK will not leave Europe on Friday, March 29, “Parliament has declared war on the people”.

Maybe he should have a nice sit-down with a cup of tea and Anwen can sing the Welsh anthem to him.

 

[Dave1987]

Was listening to a very interesting podcast recently about the economy and Brexit. There are some quite good arguments as to why the employment levels are as high as they are at the moment and guess what it has nothing to do with a 'strong and stable' Government/economy! Brexit is causing a lot of uncertainty and the world economy is slowing. But because interest rates are still so low, lots of people are still hungry for credit. Lots of businesses are feeding the demand through hiring extra workers rather than investing in more efficient ways of producing their goods and services. Why? Because when the downturn comes along its very easy to sack your human workforce and reduce your production capacity to previous levels, whereas if you have invested in money in more efficient hardware and software to increase your capacity you cannot just get rid of that investment! The Government is crowing about the record jobs in the economy but completely ignoring the reasons for it. Which is why despite record employment inflation isn't rocketing up and growth is pathetically small. With the way the economy is at the moment any slowdown or recession is going to hit hard, very hard! Leaving with no deal is going to be painful.......

 

[lyndhurst25]

Around 1 million people on today's People's Vote march in London. I wonder how many of them were bots?

 

[Howardh]

Around 1 million people on today's People's Vote march in London. I wonder how many of them were bots?

Ah, they weren't marching against Brexit, they were queuing for the Golf Sale.

 

[Darandio]

And now the woman who started the petition is complaining of death threats, abuse on Facebook and the hacking of her Facebook account. I don't condone any of this.

But it does become more interesting when you learn that the same woman openly discussed murdering Theresa May on Facebook, then shared several links to websites where you could buy weapons that "could be adapted with "modifications" for use in "shooting people in the face" in the House of Commons."

You really cannot make this stuff up.

 

[Ianno87]

It takes less than a minute to get a new web-based email address though. And it is also possible to use text-message verification (SMS message from website to 'phone, user then enters code) to allay the suspicions of the automated anti-abuse system. Hence it only takes a few thousand remainers with burner phones and a couple of free hours per day each day to get a few million votes from apparently unique email addresses.

You do realise that virtually no people have any time in their lives to bother to do such a thing, right? Something that would be an utter waste of their time.

Enough of the conspirancy theories.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

If only an appropriate decision was made then I bet there wouldn't be thousands of people marching in London today.

 

[Jonny]

And that's assuming that they are in the UK...

Relates to the first 3 million, but near enough...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...l-brexit-article-50-revoke-brexit-news-latest
Brexit petition CON! Thousands of signatures in Revoke Article 50 petition are OUTSIDE UK
THOUSANDS of the 3 million names on a record-breaking petition to derail Brexit by revoking Article 50 signed the petition from outside the UK, data on the Government’s Parliamentary website has revealed.
And some Remainers have even shared their own postcodes to Twitter in a bid to encourage people from around the world to add their names. One Brexiteer revealed, as an experiment, he had even used the Queen’s official residence in order to do so. The ‘Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU’ petition, launched on Wednesday night, regularly crashed the parliamentary website yesterday as thousands of signatures were added every minute.
As of 12.20pm, the petition had surged past three million.

This morning, a breakdown of data showed 1.26million were from the UK. While the House of Commons told Express.co.uk this morning it had plans in pace to check signatures, it later clarified how it had to stop updating its public data as Government systems were not robust enough to withstand the numbers of visitors to the petition website.

A spokesman said it paused the publication of the data, but could not tell Express.co.uk how many people in countries such as Russia and North Korea had since added their names to the petition. This afternoon it still was not clear how many people had signed the petition when the data collection was paused at some point last night.

Arch-Brexiteer and former UKIP leader Nigel Farage called for an enquiry because signatures from North Korea, Afghanistan and Papua New Guinea have found their way onto the campaign, alongside mega-rich celebs including Hugh Grant, Annie Lennox and David Walliams.

His scepticism was shared by Tories including Walsall North’s Eddie Hughes, who tweeted: “Does it still count if some of them are from Russia or China?”

Shrewsbury and Atcham MP Daniel Kawczynski said: “Petitions are important indicators but trumped by actual elections and referenda.

It sounds like the petition count is a particularly dodgy statistic.