Northern Unit Refurbishments

[jonesy3001]

Thanks, thats what i'm thinking too. I also guess this '323s being in addition to the current 243 units being refurbished thing' will also depend on if any 319s go. excluding the 3 units in the thameslink livery (319372, 319373 and 319446).

The 323s will cascade from WMT to join the batch at northern to replace the 319s which will be going for the FLEX programme,372,373 and 446 are only on short term loan til the flexs are on the rails.

 

[Harvey B]

The 323s will cascade from WMT to join the batch at northern to replace the 319s which will be going for the FLEX programme,372,373 and 446 are only on short term loan til the flexs are on the rails.

Will there be any 319s remaining as 319s? Or are they all being converted to 769s?

 

[Harvey B]

Did 333011 come out of holbeck this morning?

 

[jonesy3001]

150113 was the doncaster to NH run.
150115 on the NH to doncaster run

 

[jonesy3001]

Did 333011 come out of holbeck this morning?

Just has RT next to both holbeck and neville hill,

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97161/2019/03/30/advanced

 

[LOL The Irony]

Will there be any 319s remaining as 319s? Or are they all being converted to 769s?

There probably will be some left although I have a feeling they'll become razor blades.

 

[jonesy3001]

156 on the move as well
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91805/2019/03/30/advanced

 

[Harvey B]

Just has RT next to both holbeck and neville hill,

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97161/2019/03/30/advanced

Wow that was quick bearing in mind it went in at the end of February. I wonder what what unit will go to holbeck next.

 

[superkev]

Path for something back thus aft.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97162/2019/03/30/advanced
K

 

[td97]

The northern 323s will start going for PRM mods in may.

The 323s will cascade from WMT to join the batch at northern to replace the 319s which will be going for the FLEX programme

Do you have a source for this? Its been common-sense speculation for months, but never officially confirmed.

 

[sd0733]

There was a 156 at crewe fully repainted and refurbed presumably heading back from Wolverton
I got the number but before writing ive forgotten it, 15642x, i think it was 424 but cant be 100% sure now. Hopefully someone knows what was down there!

 

[jonesy3001]

There was a 156 at crewe fully repainted and refurbed presumably heading back from Wolverton
I got the number but before writing ive forgotten it, 15642x, i think it was 424 but cant be 100% sure now. Hopefully someone knows what was down there!

it was 424, went past crewe 2 on the railcam uk site

 

[jonesy3001]

Do you have a source for this? Its been common-sense speculation for months, but never officially confirmed.

A training instructor who works for northern, we occasionally have conversations in the northern railway connect group on facebook.

 

[sd0733]

it was 424, went past crewe 2 on the railcam uk site

Cheers its been bugging me ever since! Glad someone can ID it for certain

 

[Harvey B]

Path for something back thus aft.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97162/2019/03/30/advanced
K

I wonder which unit has gone to holbeck. Does anyone know?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Wow that was quick bearing in mind it went in at the end of February. I wonder what what unit will go to holbeck next.

Now the folk at Holbeck have done a couple, they'll have got it down to a fine art... also helps that there's no PRM work required so the most awkward jobs (fitting a big toilet and all the associated tanks, pipes, electrics) aren't needed.

 

[Harvey B]

Now the folk at Holbeck have done a couple, they'll have got it down to a fine art... also helps that there's no PRM work required so the most awkward jobs (fitting a big toilet and all the associated tanks, pipes, electrics) aren't needed.

I'm guessing that helped too

 

[33117]

Don't know if anyone has had 1 yet but the refurbished 155s are rather smart.

Seems to take a while for them to be done at kilmarnock but their a decent quality overhaul.

 

[superkev]

Don't know if anyone has had 1 yet but the refurbished 155s are rather smart.

Seems to take a while for them to be done at kilmarnock but their a decent quality overhaul.

May be smart but the seating pitch must have been designed by someone with no legs. Kids have to stand on the seats to see over the cills. noisy horrid things to me.
K

 

[507021]

333015 has gone to Holbeck for refurbishment.

 

[317 forever]

I have the feeling that when the initial 331s enter service in Leeds in May, this will accelerate 333 refurbs rather than cause early withdrawal of 321/322s.

 

[Harvey B]

333015 has gone to Holbeck for refurbishment.

Thanks alot @507021

 

[Harvey B]

I have the feeling that when the initial 331s enter service in Leeds in May, this will accelerate 333 refurbs rather than cause early withdrawal of 321/322s.

Well 333011 was done quicker than I expected to be done so I think 333015 will probably be done around the same time so who knows but I think when the 331s get introduced that Northern will probably send off two 333s for a refurb at a time

 

[superkev]

I have the feeling that when the initial 331s enter service in Leeds in May, this will accelerate 333 refurbs rather than cause early withdrawal of 321/322s.

Only space for one 333 at Holbeck and it has to be split to get it in.
K

 

[507021]

Thanks alot @507021

No problem.

 

[Harvey B]

Only space for one 333 at Holbeck and it has to be split to get it in.
K

Can't they just transfer some of the other units stabled there to allow another 333 to go for a refurbishment

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Can't they just ttansfer some of the other units stabled there to allow another 333 to go for a refurbishment

Why bother when there's no looming PRM deadline for those units? Besides taking an extra one out of service means running a diesel under the wires all day, with the way the 321/322s keep conking out!

Anyway the stabling isn't the issue at Holbeck, it's the workshop that's too small.

 

[Harvey B]

Why bother when there's no looming PRM deadline for those units? Besides taking an extra one out of service means running a diesel under the wires all day, with the way the 321/322s keep conking out!

But 321s, 322s and DMU's on the Aire/Wharfdale lines won't be an issue (theoretically) since the 331s will have been introduced by may.
So the only issue will be the space at holbeck for another 333 to go for a refurbishment.

 

[northernchris]

But 321s, 322s and DMU's on the Aire/Wharfdale lines won't be an issue (theoretically) since the 331s will have been introduced by may.
So the only issue will be the space at holbeck for another 333 to go for a refurbishment.

I'm not convinced the 331s will be in operation by the May timetable change, and with the DMU that currently runs on the Airedale line during the morning peak being redeployed on to an additional Leeds-Lancaster service, I wouldn't be surprised if the 333 refurb programme gets put on hold

 

[Harvey B]

I'm not convinced the 331s will be in operation by the May timetable change

How come you think that, I saw an article earlier this month saying that the 331s were entering service in may as seen here:
https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...thern-class-331s-to-serve-leeds-from-may.html

the DMU that currently runs on the Airedale line during the morning peak being redeployed on to an additional Leeds-Lancaster service

At least that's good news.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 333 refurb programme gets put on hold

that depends but i'm not counting on the refurbs to be suspended