Aictos
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Nothing on the GN or TL had them either until the arrival of the Class 377/5s, Class 387s and Class 700s too.
Light indicator panels can be faulty and show the wrong information so drivers always get out to make sure the train is correctly set to move forward
Obviously I ment where safe to do so!!Not always. Sometimes it's not safe to get out of a cab to check them. Such as after changing ends on a shunt away from a platform. Or if the front/rear of your train is off the end of a platform when you start.
i think you will find some 156 do have them. (sorry couldnt quote you in the other reply for some reason and image is not uploading from google but it is here bottom right of panel https://www.google.com/search?q=cla...4#imgdii=Lp-oh6_8zY3laM:&imgrc=6BgHGJZGy0ezAM:
Just drove one that doesn't, like the rest of the VP185 fitted HSTs.as does ALL hsts
Those 156 cabs are awful :/
Never..... gonna complain about mine again.
You think that’s bad, try the former toilet end of a 153!
Just out of curiosity, what would anyone do if they saw a train running with no headlights on?
Pat their head.
Yes this. Universally recognised in my experience.
If it was an HST or 156 they don't have a display showing the head/marker/tail light set-up. I think 158s and 170s both do.
Nevertheless, seems to be a common check across on all stock types, perhaps it's a TOC-policy to double check the front.
We used to have stuff with light proving indicators like 387s - you weren’t allowed to just assume they worked. Always check anyway.
You think that’s bad, try the former toilet end of a 153!
On our TOC some Guards check the rear but not all, and only as a courtesy. It is the Drivers responsibility to check correct illumination displayed at both ends of the train.Drivers check the front and guards check the rear.
Just out of curiosity, what would anyone do if they saw a train running with no headlights on?
On our TOC some Guards check the rear but not all, and only as a courtesy. It is the Drivers responsibility to check correct illumination displayed at both ends of the train.
You're not wrong, but it's the Driver who gets to enjoy the hospitality of the managers if wrong illumination is displayed front or rear.It's in module TW1 that the driver and guard (and train preparer for that matter) are both responsible for checking the tail lights/tail lamps are operating at the rear of the train only (courtesy doesn't come into it) and the driver is responsible for checking the headlight.
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I always check regardless because it's prevented numerous 'oops' moments. I generally set the headlights when changing ends (that's definitely a courtesy) but having done that as a courtesy I always check them before walking away from them.
You're not wrong, but it's the Driver who gets to enjoy the hospitality of the managers if wrong illumination is displayed front or rear.
Swiss cheese effect. Brace for long lecture about applying NTS.I suppose it depends whether they're arsey enough to say 'the guard didn't check them either'!!
Swiss cheese effect. Brace for long lecture about applying NTS.
“And what will you put into place to ensure this doesn’t happen again?”
“And what will you put into place to ensure this doesn’t happen again?”