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BBC Radio Four news just mentioned that Flying Scotsman has been fitted with cameras to identify trespassers.
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If they're already banned from railway property, what use would a senior railcard be and what's the use of handing it in?Either that, or make an example of a few people. Hand out football style banning orders to spotters guilty of breaking the law. Ban them from within three miles of anyway railway line and make them hand in their senior railcard and camera to the police station when ever there is a special train running in their area.
Jim Lowe, head of operations at the National Railway Museum, said he was working with BTP and Network Rail to fit cameras to Flying Scotsman, adding all future journeys would have on-board police officers.
The BBC are running the story too, and included this:
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-48219462
If the presence of Flying Scotsman gets some other trains delayed/ cancelled (due to Numpties On The Line), who is paying for the passengers inconvenienced because their regular train was late (or didn't run)?
My understanding is that it's not the people running Flying Scotsman because the liabilities for special service like steam/heritage are capped at a fraction of the true cost... so does Network Rail (i.e. the taxpayer) have to stump this cash? Or are TOCs expected to smile sweetly and suck it up?
Either way, these numpties wouldn't be encroaching for a regular passenger train. All these additional costs (including the policing)... it's got to come from somewhere.
But why use words like "iconic" and "legendary" ? That just strengthens the public view that there's something uniquely "special" about this loco.
There really isn't.
Put the police on the trains in front of the FS, when they are forced to stop because of trespassers then they can jump down and apprehend the offenders after the driver has put an REC in and signallers have declared the line safe, the officers travelling aboard don't need to be seen by the trespassers until then as the driver can have given fair warning of the consequences of the trespass. So driver said "get over the other side of the fence" and when ignored or challenged they are backed up by BTP. Can't really complain about that when you get nicked!
In the context of the post in question I understood lineside to mean a location alongside the line, eg an adjacent field, not the rulebook definition of lineside.The problem is it is not perfectly clear.
I'm guessing you don't sign the rule book.
' lineside' has a technical definition in the rule book , which is an area WITHIN the boundary fence of the railway and the area between the fence and running rails. Any member of the public who is 'linesdie' is trespassing and would be considered a trespasser which would result in all trains having to run at caution until it was determined by an examining train or MOM , BTP etc that the tresspasser was now clear.
The poster stated he realised he or she needed to be 'line side', not as you state 'adjoining' the line....
Put the police on the trains in front of the FS, when they are forced to stop because of trespassers then they can jump down and apprehend the offenders after the driver has put an REC in and signallers have declared the line safe, the officers travelling aboard don't need to be seen by the trespassers until then as the driver can have given fair warning of the consequences of the trespass. So driver said "get over the other side of the fence" and when ignored or challenged they are backed up by BTP. Can't really complain about that when you get nicked!
Put the police on the trains in front of the FS, when they are forced to stop because of trespassers then they can jump down and apprehend the offenders after the driver has put an REC in and signallers have declared the line safe, the officers travelling aboard don't need to be seen by the trespassers until then as the driver can have given fair warning of the consequences of the trespass. So driver said "get over the other side of the fence" and when ignored or challenged they are backed up by BTP. Can't really complain about that when you get nicked!
1. "Jumping down" from a train is not easy.
2. What do the police officers do after "apprehending" the trespassers?
3. Drivers are not law enforcement officers.
Nobody seems to remember the “Q Trains” then? ECS with a number of BTP officers on board to catch vandals, trespassers etc etc
When did they run? Guessing there was more spare network capacity then than exists today?
And on whose shoulders should the cost of these Q trains fall? They don't run for free.
It always used to be the case that the charter train performance regime had the option to ‘buy’ a cap - effectively an insurance premium. The ‘premium’ obviously reflected the likelihood of a significant incident and most services generate far less trouble than the recent FS incident.If the presence of Flying Scotsman gets some other trains delayed/ cancelled (due to Numpties On The Line), who is paying for the passengers inconvenienced because their regular train was late (or didn't run)?
My understanding is that it's not the people running Flying Scotsman because the liabilities for special service like steam/heritage are capped at a fraction of the true cost... so does Network Rail (i.e. the taxpayer) have to stump this cash? Or are TOCs expected to smile sweetly and suck it up?
Either way, these numpties wouldn't be encroaching for a regular passenger train. All these additional costs (including the policing)... it's got to come from somewhere.
1. How good will the images be from cameras mounted on a steam loco?
As a Railway Engineer and PTS holder, I would gladly give up my free time to help keep people back from the running lines. Honestly.
I agree, I would do it for nothing. I think it needs to be a serious consideration.Likewise. Even a fair few of those who view it solely as a job would probably be swayed by a few hours relatively easy overtime. You'd just need to convince the powers that be that it's more cost effective to pay for a deterrent than incur the delay minutes.
Or maybe install hi-vis scarecrows instead?
Good. The more caught, the merrier.Reading a post on Twitter this morning that it’s made the headlines in the Times with a pic of the two people in question and also mentioned the police are after them now.
First google result:I should have had a much closer look, but Ian Prossers name has come up a lot on my Twitter and he has took a dim view of what’s been going on over FS. I know he is someone high up in the Railway Safety side of things but I’m sure someone on here knows exactly who, let’s put it this way though. I’d be worried if I was one of those with the camera.
Yeah he could very easily get these 2 a lifetime ban from the railways.
Nobody seems to remember the “Q Trains”
That reminds me of the old "Q" train which was a DMU bubble car which used to run through areas of high trespass and vandalism which was exactly as you say stuffed full of police officers waiting to catch any offenders red handed!
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Yeah he could very easily get these 2 a lifetime ban from the railways.