Mike bello
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Not the most amazing things to be on...
Not the most amazing things to be on...
Nope, it’s because the 442s are not yet in service so 450s are being pulled off other workings to cover. There is some slack in the 455 fleet so they are covering a 450 turn on the Reading line.Probably because the working in question is resourced from Wimbledon or Staines and that is the stock that was available. Other than the lack of a toilet (that only a handful of people will use), nothing really wrong with sending them to Reading - speed isn't an issue, seats are the same as those in 450s.
Nope, it’s because the 442s are not yet in service so 450s are being pulled off other workings to cover. There is some slack in the 455 fleet so they are covering a 450 turn on the Reading line.
Not the most amazing things to be on...
Better than nothing at all.Not the most amazing things to be on...
That and it’s a fixed 8-car turn so no risk of having to split and join. There may also be crew knowledge issues with using them on other 450 turns and that’s before things like maximum speed are considered.Yes, so the Reading line is the best place to make a 455 vs 450 substitution because frankly it doesn't really matter in terms of anything important to the primary objective of getting people places.
Biggest constraint on the Windsor Lines is the short platform at Virginia Water on the up line from Weybridge meaning that 8-car 455s cannot work that route. Weybridge and Hounslow Loop trains interwork at Waterloo so 8-car 455s are ruled out for the Hounslow Loop basically, which would probably the most suitable line for them to substitute on. They are used on a few peak time Hounslow Loop services. I believe there is a Waterloo to Windsor diagram running as 8-455 at present too.That and it’s a fixed 8-car turn so no risk of having to split and join. There may also be crew knowledge issues with using them on other 450 turns and that’s before things like maximum speed are considered.
What’s even more interesting is that diagram is STP’d (Short Term Planning) as 8-455 vice 5-707 vice 8-450.For all intents and purposes these are "planned" changes but not in an official capacity.
And yesterday, due to a trespass incident delaying the inward working, the 1720 Waterloo - Reading was 8-455 (off 5K49) vice 8-455 vice 5-707 vice 8-450!What’s even more interesting is that diagram is STP’d (Short Term Planning) as 8-455 vice 5-707 vice 8-450.
They were previously 4 car class 455 on that route in the 90s and 00s
They were previously 4 car class 455 on that route in the 90s and 00s
That was the official company line at the time. Was the Reading line especially bad for unruly behaviour? After a few years they reverted to VEPs all day every day. Perhaps Wimbledon got fed up of cleaning up urine on the 455s? Waterloo to Reading was the longest booked run for 455s, exceeding Victoria to Horsham by around 10 minutes.At that time Early and Winnersh had short platforms so it was only possible to run 4-car 455s to Reading. Basically evenings after about 9pm from Waterloo and all day 4tph on Saturdays, other than Rugby days when the slam door trains ran.
Part of the idea for running 455s in the evenings was for passenger safety and reduce the risk of vandalism.
I've seen a few reports of 455s turning up on the Waterloo-Reading line recently. Does anyone know how widespread this is
That’s possibly a booked working, there’s an 8.455 been booked for a couple of evening return trips since the May timetable. Dep Waterloo 1824 and 2028; Dep Windsor 1923 and 2153.I had a 455 on a Windsor to Waterloo service tonight, was very surprised to see it turn up!
There’s now a 455 diagrammed into STP:
WM698/WM699
I numbered it
STP = Short Term Planning!St Pancras International?!?!? *scratches head*