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SWR Strike Action: Strikes every day in December except 1st, 12th, 25th & 26th

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mchd2000

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Does anyone know why the strike timetable has so few services in the morning peak compared with previous strikes?

I.e. from HSL-WAT departing between 7 and 8, there is 1 out of the normal 6 trains running.
In previous strikes there were more like 3 an hour in the peaks
 
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Does anyone know why the strike timetable has so few services in the morning peak compared with previous strikes?

I.e. from HSL-WAT departing between 7 and 8, there is 1 out of the normal 6 trains running.
In previous strikes there were more like 3 an hour in the peaks
I would guess because they need guards for Royal Ascot, which has a virtually normal service for the event.
 

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I would guess because they need guards for Royal Ascot, which has a virtually normal service for the event.
Not sure that’s the reason/excuse as Ascot/Reading have normally had 2tph on strike days.
 

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The WoE strike timetable is odd with trains passing at Yeovil only which is good but for some stupid reason they sit there for ages in both directions. This is particularly annoying given that because of this extra waiting time there isn't time for them to stop at intermediate stations between Honiton and Exeter. This is even more annoying given SWR didn't previously and still don't mention that Pinhoe and Cranbrook also have no trains and just buses.
 

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Ascot has strengthening to 4tph during a significant chunk of the day to manage crowds.

The rest of the network have to fit around crew availability to a certain extent, as there is simply no point planning services if no contingency crew sign the route.
 

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Looking at the press release it doesn't sound to me like it's about who operates the doors. After all, RMT has agreed that on Greater Anglia the guard has no role in door operation except in special circumstances, so why would they refuse the same on SWR? It sounds more like disagreement over exactly what competencies guards on the 701s will hold in future.

GA have agreed the conductors will remain competent meaning 25% of there diagrams must include door operation, much like the 379's have sun bleaching issues so if the driver cant see some of the monitors then that will compromise safety so then the conductor will close the doors.

To be precise GA havent agreed a method of working yet for all we know the conductors will end up doing the doors as the current method of working suggested is ridiclous to say the least and involves using emergency passenger alarms to advise the conductor is no longer on the train and no way for the driver/conductor to liase other than this.

Simply the drivers should always open the doors to avoid operational incidents like one coach hanging off etc then the conductor can see the platform and driver has his cameras to assist then once all clear conductor closes and 2-2 on the bell buzzer to confirm its clear and conductor is back on the train but nope GA tried so hard to push the conductors into the dust that they have the most ridiculous idea for method of working.

To add to this the current agreement means Trains from LST-IPS can go DOO but IPS-NRW a conductor must board at IPS otherwise it cannot go any further.
 

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Is there a link to the exact expected method of operation for the new Stadler trains without taking this thread off topic?
 

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Does anyone know why the strike timetable has so few services in the morning peak compared with previous strikes?

I.e. from HSL-WAT departing between 7 and 8, there is 1 out of the normal 6 trains running.
In previous strikes there were more like 3 an hour in the peaks
I believe a number of the contingency guards they used in previous strikes have left the company. My own service from Overton had 2 TPH in the peak last time but only one this time.
 

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Is there a link to the exact expected method of operation for the new Stadler trains without taking this thread off topic?
Bombardier in SWR's case, not Stadler.

Edit: I've just read the context of that post and realised you probably already know that, apologies!
 
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Ascot has strengthening to 4tph during a significant chunk of the day to manage crowds.

The rest of the network have to fit around crew availability to a certain extent, as there is simply no point planning services if no contingency crew sign the route.
Are there less staff avilable for cover this time round? I mean there could be illness, what with the constant change in temperature or even holidays. Would all contingency guards be needed to do their usual job, if it was Ascot and there wasn't a strike? I doubt SWR would plan staffing numbers around the possbility there might be a strike.

Edit: I see that some contingency guatds have left SWR. Do they train replacements or given they may wish to get rid of guards, do they not bother?
 

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You can't turn contingency staff out willy-nilly. There is a substantial course on PTS/rules/route/traction to be delivered and there is a limit on the number that can be trained each time (low single digits), all within the capacity of existing training school schedule utilising trainers who also have to work with new starters in regular positions. All of those signed up to the course will also need their work covering for release on all those days which isn't a luxury many functions can afford these days at most TOCs.

People come and go at all TOCs. You can only work with what you have. Some contingency staff have booked holidays, attendance at external events, appointments with business partners, etc, long before the strikes were announced, which cannot always be cancelled, nor should they. If additional staff become available on the day, more services will run, but delivering what is advertised is of utmost importance as there is likely to be a severe lack of capacity to start with so not overstretching your planned timetable is rather important otherwise cancellations will likely have much bigger impact on people's journeys compared to a normal day.
 

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You can't turn contingency staff out willy-nilly. There is a substantial course on PTS/rules/route/traction to be delivered and there is a limit on the number that can be trained each time (low single digits), all within the capacity of existing training school schedule utilising trainers who also have to work with new starters in regular positions. All of those signed up to the course will also need their work covering for release on all those days which isn't a luxury many functions can afford these days at most TOCs.

People come and go at all TOCs. You can only work with what you have. Some contingency staff have booked holidays, attendance at external events, appointments with business partners, etc, long before the strikes were announced, which cannot always be cancelled, nor should they. If additional staff become available on the day, more services will run, but delivering what is advertised is of utmost importance as there is likely to be a severe lack of capacity to start with so not overstretching your planned timetable is rather important otherwise cancellations will likely have much bigger impact on people's journeys compared to a normal day.
Thanks for the detail. So I take it, although it wouldn't ever be quick, they still train people to be contingency guards.
 

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There is no plan to get rid of guards (for now as I am aware but can't speak for whatever is being planned) so recruitment for both regular and contingency guards will continue as they are.
 

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There is no plan to get rid of guards (for now as I am aware but can't speak for whatever is being planned) so recruitment for both regular and contingency guards will continue as they are.
OK. Thanks for that.
 

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I take it that you haven't read any of the, numerous, threads on here about DOO - on Southern, Northern etc.
No - too much other stuff instead of the actual facts.
I mean, you could have answered the question as it seems you know the answer.
Not sure why you didn't.
Which then makes me want to ask again, thus filling yet another topic with needless posts... you can see where I've come from not knowing the answer.
 

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Timetable has just come out. Whereas in the provisional plan they said there would be trains at Cranbrook but not Whimple or Feniton, in the final plan everything's running fast from Exeter Central to Honiton, with buses running stations. I have advance ticket Cranbrook to Welling via Waterloo on the 21st June at 17.39. That journey now looks massively delayed with a bus to Honiton and then a change of trains at Salisbury. Thanks to those that said I could claim delay vs original itinerary on my booking confirmation. I have just contacted SWR advising of this, hoping that this may get a routing via PAD approved as they have done it before - but no news yet on that, we'll have to see.
 

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Why does SWR always split services at Bournemouth during strikes? It always seems that BMH-WEY is an inconvenience to them, there is just an hourly shuttle instead of the 3tph (POO-BMH) usually. Bournemouth on the other hand only loses 1 out of 4tph. The Weymouth services would also be significantly more useful if they were merged with the Waterloo fast, or the Southampton stopper. I often travel from Christchurch to Branksome and instead of 15 minutes it will take 35, which due to the timing makes it not worth doing over the cheaper bus.
 

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Why does SWR always split services at Bournemouth during strikes? It always seems that BMH-WEY is an inconvenience to them, there is just an hourly shuttle instead of the 3tph (POO-BMH) usually. Bournemouth on the other hand only loses 1 out of 4tph. The Weymouth services would also be significantly more useful if they were merged with the Waterloo fast, or the Southampton stopper. I often travel from Christchurch to Branksome and instead of 15 minutes it will take 35, which due to the timing makes it not worth doing over the cheaper bus.
AIUI from previous threads separating the services east and west of Bournemouth removes the need for training contingency guards in splitting and joining the actual trains. They’ll just run as ten car all day between Waterloo and Bournemouth, and 5 car to the west.
 

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SWR contingency guards(managers) were trained in hours, days at the most, not weeks. They never got the full training, and some of those that 'volunteered' from their desk jobs are barely competent.
 

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AIUI from previous threads separating the services east and west of Bournemouth removes the need for training contingency guards in splitting and joining the actual trains. They’ll just run as ten car all day between Waterloo and Bournemouth, and 5 car to the west.
But the Bournemouth-Southampton Stopper isn’t 10 cars as far as I’m aware. Also, despite the power supply issues, could you not run one 10 car unit in place of 2 5 cars as in the normal timetable?
 

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SWR contingency guards(managers) were trained in hours, days at the most, not weeks. They never got the full training, and some of those that 'volunteered' from their desk jobs are barely competent.

From my observation in the inner suburban area at least, some of the contingency guards showed better dispatch technique and situational awareness than the actual staff!
 

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Why is it rubbish? Presume you are one of those 'managers' ? Did you do the full guards course then?
 

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Are there less staff avilable for cover this time round? I mean there could be illness, what with the constant change in temperature or even holidays. Would all contingency guards be needed to do their usual job, if it was Ascot and there wasn't a strike? I doubt SWR would plan staffing numbers around the possbility there might be a strike.
Ascot is quite intensive for management volunteers on early and late shifts at a number if stations, so this will affect the numbers available to act as Contingency Guards.
 

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I noticed, from looking at the timetable, that three is some early morning rail replacement buses from Guildford to Epsom.

One stood out. The 6:23. It gets to Epsom at 7:56.

Providing it's not cancelled for other reasons, there is a 6 39 Southern service. This stops at the same stations and arrives into Epsom at 7:13. So 43 minutes ahead.

There is also a 7:12 Southern service. Whilst that skips stations between London Road and Effingham Junction, it still gets into Epsom at 7:44. So 12 minutes in advance.

When designing the replacement bus services, do they take into account train services run by other companies? Or do they assumed a worst case sinario and assume such things might not run for any reasons?
 

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Does anyone in the know happen to have access to the calling pattern and times of the additional services tomorrow during the strike on the direct. Information on the SWR website is very sparse.
I was interested in:

0615 PMH-WAT
0645 PMH-WAT

1805 WAT-PMH

The stock type (444/450) would also be appreciated should it be available.

Thanks in advance.
 
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