Peterborough broken train (18/06)

[nlt]

It is now 1215 on Tuesday 18 June 2019. I am sitting on the 1015 ex Leeds to KGX. We have been stationary just north of Peterborough for over half an hour and are being told there is a broken down train between Peterborough and Huntingdon. 1A20 ex Leeds at 0945 appears to have been stationary just south of Conington Loop since about 1116. Can anybody help with precise details please.

 

[mlb54]

I just missed the 11.10 Peterborough to Kings Cross which is the broken down train. I am on the 11.29 which is still at Platform 3. The train manager has said they are waiting for a rescue loco to pull the train out of the way back to Peterbough.

 

[59CosG95]

It is now 1215 on Tuesday 18 June 2019. I am sitting on the 1015 ex Leeds to KGX. We have been stationary just north of Peterborough for over half an hour and are being told there is a broken down train between Peterborough and Huntingdon. 1A20 ex Leeds at 0945 appears to have been stationary just south of Conington Loop since about 1116. Can anybody help with precise details please.

To add to that, 158813 (on 1R70) sat down at Werrington for about an hour, and 158864 (on 1R74) was caped at Peterborough and dispatched as a 1Z99 to propel 1R70 to Nottingham; I believe it's still there! An HST has now stopped alongside it, presumably due to everything stacking up south of Peterborough.

Not a good day for Peterborough PSB, LNER & EMT, by all accounts!

 

[Saperstein]

According to NRE there are currently two broken down trains in the Peterborough area, they say disruption is expected until 1400.

 

[mlb54]

The Thameslink trains that have arrived from Horsham have now gone into Spital Sidings.

 

[nlt]

Anybody know what kind of train is forming 1A20? Also is it not possible to be diverted via the Down lines?

 

[Darandio]

Anybody know what kind of train is forming 1A20? Also is it not possible to be diverted via the Down lines?

1A20 is a Class 91/Mk4 set, Thunderbird is en-route.

 

[nlt]

1A22 is now on the move and 56L

 

[nlt]

If there is anybody from LNER management reading this I would say the flow of information to the passengers on my train is not very good. We have been told there is a broken down train but not why it is broken and what is actually being done to fix it.

 

[malc-c]

is 1A20 the failed train ? - RTT show it as running to time, but the last entry was 11:16 and open trains show it north of Huntingdon, with nothing in front of it for miles, but lots backed up North of Peterborough

 

[Aictos]

According to NRE there are currently two broken down trains in the Peterborough area, they say disruption is expected until 1400.

JourneyCheck refer to the failed LNER as a unit so is it one of the Azumas that have failed?

 

[nlt]

is 1A20 the failed train ? - RTT show it as running to time, but the last entry was 11:16 and open trains show it north of Huntingdon, with nothing in front of it for miles, but lots backed up North of Peterborough

According to Open Train Times map 1A20 moved south by about two blocks on the map (track circuits?) about 20 minutes ago. My train 1A22 has disappeared from the map completely. We are standing just to the north of Conington Loop.

 

[nlt]

Guard now announcing that 1A22 is the first train for "single line working" so presumably we are going to use the Down Main. It seems to take an inordinate amount of time to set this up. We are still stationary.

 

[malc-c]

According to Open Train Times map 1A20 moved south by about two blocks on the map (track circuits?) about 20 minutes ago. My train 1A22 has disappeared from the map completely. We are standing just to the north of Conington Loop.

That's strange... 1A22 is showing on Traksy (https://traksy.uk/live/M+19+STEVNGE) - but not on OpenTrains.... 1A20 now moved, but no update on RTT...

 

[Hadders]

If there is anybody from LNER management reading this I would say the flow of information to the passengers on my train is not very good. We have been told there is a broken down train but not why it is broken and what is actually being done to fix it.

To be fair to LNER they probably don’t know why it’s broken down. It’s frustrating to be caught up in a delay but even if they do know and told you it won’t get you moving any quicker.

 

[nlt]

As I thought guard now saying there will be no single line working. Map shows 1A22 now well past Huntingdon and we are on the move on the Up Main. So was it a train fault or perhaps a track circuit, signalling fault? Network vans seen lineside.

 

[Darandio]

If there is anybody from LNER management reading this I would say the flow of information to the passengers on my train is not very good. We have been told there is a broken down train but not why it is broken and what is actually being done to fix it.

I'm not sure telling passengers why the train has broken down is that useful.

As I thought guard now saying there will be no single line working. Map shows 1A22 now well past Huntingdon and we are on the move on the Up Main. So was it a train fault or perhaps a track circuit, signalling fault? Network vans seen lineside.

It was a pantograph issue, the train is now being hauled by a Thunderbird. Network Rail would be inspecting the overhead equipment.

 

[nlt]

To be fair to LNER they probably don’t know why it’s broken down. It’s frustrating to be caught up in a delay but even if they do know and told you it won’t get you moving any quicker.

That's not my point. As a paying customer I want to know what is going on and not to be informed by speculation and rumour.

 

[nlt]

I'm not sure telling passengers why the train has broken down is that useful.



It was a pantograph issue, the train is now being hauled by a Thunderbird. Network Rail would be inspecting the overhead equipment.

Thankyou

 

[Hadders]

That's not my point. As a paying customer I want to know what is going on and not to be informed by speculation and rumour.

But they might not know that!!!!

The management will probably be hundreds of miles away awaiting updates themselves on what’s caused the breakdown.

 

[Robertj21a]

That's not my point. As a paying customer I want to know what is going on and not to be informed by speculation and rumour.

It might be nice to know but I don't see that you have any right to know.

 

[Plethora]

Oh dear. Another day of disruption on ECML. Good thing most the 180s are already out of action...

 

[Darandio]

That's not my point. As a paying customer I want to know what is going on and not to be informed by speculation and rumour.

How does a description of a fault on a different train to which the passenger is travelling help them in any way? A passenger wants to know when they are going to be moving, how late they are going to be and require information for potential connections that are now missed because of the delay. If they didn't provide any of the latter, by all means get in touch with them.

 

[221129]

That's not my point. As a paying customer I want to know what is going on and not to be informed by speculation and rumour.

And as a customer you were told! The reason was a broken down train ahead. Just because you're too nosey doesn't make the answer you were given wrong...

 

[AM9]

That's not my point. As a paying customer I want to know what is going on and not to be informed by speculation and rumour.

As a paying customer, you are entitled to travel, safely and as far as the railway can provide it, be given reliable information that directly affects your journey. Whilst you may be personally interested in the details of the situation*, other than any advised delay information, (i.e. an ETA at your intended or revised destination), further information is irrelevant.
* even if you are an avid enthusiast, the responsibility is for the TOC to give you relevant realistic information, and not set up a technical help line to feed speculative interests.

 

[TrainGeekUK]

Why is it the ECML seems to go into meltdown every week.

My worst experience was when I did a journey many years ago on the Chieftain from Inverness to KGX and we were tipped out at York and told to go to Leeds and then KGX. Absolute carnage at Leeds with at least 4/5 train loads of people on the platforms waiting as nothing was moving south of York. The Chieftain was then used as a shuttle between Doncaster and York. Took me 15 hours to get from INV to LWS.

It’s amazing when things seem to go wrong on that line, it’s spectacularly bad!

 

[nlt]

AS I suspected 1A20 has now been stopped at Stevenage and all the passengers are transferring to 1A22 causing yet more delay for both sets of passengers.

 

[Sleepy]

The stricken East Mids 158 is still sitting there 4 hours later (minus pax) !!

 

[Plethora]

Why is it the ECML seems to go into meltdown every week.

It’s amazing when things seem to go wrong on that line, it’s spectacularly bad!

It's to be expected where a line is at or close to capacity. Add the plethora of different TOCs requiring co-ordination and the significantly lower number of people working in the railways than in years past, and there's much less spare capacity to deal with any issues are they arise.

 

[Darandio]

AS I suspected 1A20 has now been stopped at Stevenage and all the passengers are transferring to 1A22 causing yet more delay for both sets of passengers.

Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

The train in front of you has a fault and needs to go to Bounds Green, it will be sent round the Hertford Loop and out of your way. If it had just been allowed to continue, it would further delay you and others behind you. It would also then cause further issues in the Kings Cross area, further delaying even more services.