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Bluebirdscot66 said:
I watched as I was at ingleston and loads of folk at the stop and lcb went past not stopping in Both directions Do they have a stop there ? Needles to say the 24 25 and 38s were busy busy .
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LCB its all stops until RBS then its limited stop into the City, It's just poor. It also seems Queensferry passengers preferred Stagecoach 747 instead of the 63.
 
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747s were busy looking.again tonight lcb not stop .it might not have been deliberate though a fife decker , 38 and a slowing down 900 ( waiting on 38 moving off .) so a bit of a quandary for lcb .nowhere to stop or stop on the main carriageway and wait .( for maybe no one)
 
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The main bus stop for such passengers has a long layby for buses, so LCB could have stop and waited.
 
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You dont need to tell me that about LCB decker. ;) Stagecoach decker would be parked up waiting on the 1000s of passengers flooding out to use them. With 10min you could get 70 passengers straight off the bat..
 
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Right now is a perfect example why the X18 is a more reliable option. Trains disrupted AGAIN between Bathgate and Edinburgh due to overhead wiring problems in Glasgow. This happens way too often on the Bathgate route and I seriously think the unreliability of Scotrail is a key advantage to Lothian country's Edinburgh routes.
 
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I say that as it looks like Lothian are going after Scotrail passengers rather than First bus on the West Lothian-Edinburgh sector
 
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It was a Bathgate bound train that caused today's disruption as it's pantograph literally disattached from the train and got stuck on the overhead wiring. However its unclear if it was the train or the wiring that caused it to happen. The issue a lot of people have with scotrail is that these sorts of problems happen on a weekly basis and have done so for ages now. Not sure who's to blame but it may be a reason why Lothian think people may choose the bus over the train.
 
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Wow LCB Have now found the secret to no break downs and no delays from Edinburgh to Bathgate , lovely :)
 
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In Focus said:
Wow LCB Have now found the secret to no break downs and no delays from Edinburgh to Bathgate , lovely :)
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Of course not haha, the X18 is delayed due to traffic in the New bridge area and the fleet they use isn't the most reliable. But it is something that I think could be the reasoning behind these new Green Arrow coaches, as Scotrail have really got a bad reputation since Abellio took over.
 
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Train368 said:
It was a Bathgate bound train that caused today's disruption as it's pantograph literally disattached from the train and got stuck on the overhead wiring. However its unclear if it was the train or the wiring that caused it to happen. The issue a lot of people have with scotrail is that these sorts of problems happen on a weekly basis and have done so for ages now. Not sure who's to blame but it may be a reason why Lothian think people may choose the bus over the train.
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....sounds like a Russian tram :lol::lol::lol:
 
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No great surprises here: However further changes must also be on the cards since No5/A and no31 should be pulled out of Wester inch. That again could save another two buses, if not then the council has cleary screwed up somewhere because that means council services are still running on top of commercial routes. Also the No6 wastes 30mins doing nothing each hour so, if it make some adjustments maybe it will help keep some journeys on after 3pm.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/west-lothian-bus-routes-cut-17272698


A series of key West Lothian bus services are to be scrapped, in a bid to save over £500,000 from the council's budget. Eight routes will be cut in total, as well as a series of funded afternoon services in town centres.

Currently the West Lothian local bus network is provided through a combination of commercial services (80 per cent of the network) and council subsidised services (20 per cent). The commercial network underwent significant and largely positive changes in 2018, as First Bus revised its services and Lothian Country extended its operations. This has resulted in a number of route and timetable overlaps between the commercial and subsidised network.

The council has had to undertake a review of the bus services it subsidises this year, because of the improvements in the commercial operations, as local authorities are not permitted to directly compete with the commercial market

The eight services that will go include:
  • Bathgate to Broxburn/Edinburgh - Sunday early morning No20
  • Whitburn to Edinburgh - No20?
  • Livingston to Bathgate - 12 SD Travel ( I think the 11 might stay another )
  • Broxburn to Bathgate - No20 Blue bus and SD TRAVEL
  • Livingston to Edinburgh - No27 Blue bus
  • Whitburn to Harthill - ?????
  • Oakbank to Birniehill - E&M No28A
  • Whitburn to Livingston - Saturday No1 service SD Travel
These are wholly duplicated by the commercial network and will generate savings of £305,974. The town centre services, for which funding runs out at the end of July, offer extra buses between 3 and 5pm in Linlithgow, Bathgate, Armadale and Livingston.

The cutting of these afternoon additional services will save £257,000.

Campaigners in Broxburn have asked for and won promises of a review of buses serving the town centre, recognising the growth of social housing on the northern side of the town and its distance from the main shopping centre.

A commercial operator withdraw from the route earlier this year.
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overthewater said:
No great surprises here: However further changes must also be on the cards since No5/A and no31 should be pulled out of Wester inch. That again could save another two buses, if not then the council has cleary screwed up somewhere because that means council services are still running on top of commercial routes. Also the No6 wastes 30mins doing nothing each hour so, if it make some adjustments maybe it will help keep some journeys on after 3pm.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/west-lothian-bus-routes-cut-17272698
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This will certainly galvanise the smaller operator currently seeking to see the costs of LCB setting up in West Lothian under the freedom of information act , setting up company with no chance of making a penny profit to put others out of business, ruthless or unlawful?
 
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Looks like the website for the Green Arrow nonsense is dead meaning no timetables can be viewed, what a shambles...
 
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Volvodart said:
What is this partnership with Citylink?
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You can book the EX services through citylink.co.uk (and use it as a connection to other coaches I assume). Be curious if Citylink are funding it in anyway as that seems ludicrous yet here we are...
 
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The EX1/2 don’t yet appear to be tracking, unless they aren’t going to as they’re a premium coach service? Still, real time info is still essential.
 
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I watched the ex2 in Linlithgow drive past , nobody on and even though there were folk in the stop at Linlithgow x towards Edinburgh it never stopped, maybe he got a wave by them though but I never seen that . later on at 5 ish going back at the cross it picked 1 up towards lithgow bridge and he was the only guy on then . Timetables in the stop to Edinburgh but not to lithgow bridge as I seen .
 
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nesw said:
The EX1/2 don’t yet appear to be tracking, unless they aren’t going to as they’re a premium coach service? Still, real time info is still essential.
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There was real time info showing on the first app for the ex2 :pso it was tracking for something
 
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