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Did RAIL give a source or a reason for using Nova 3 on the Liverpool-Nottingham route?A news article in the latest Rail Magazine (already available digitally) states that, should TPE get the Liverpool - Nottingham route, all the 'Nova 3' Mk5a trains would be transferred to that route, with their current and planned routes in the north reverting to 185 operation. This would mean that all the 185s are retained - and that no new trains visit my town.
Did RAIL give a source or a reason for using Nova 3 on the Liverpool-Nottingham route?
I’d guess that Siemens York Depot must currently be important for Class 185 maintenance. Does anyone know if Ardwick/Edge Hill do similar work on the units?
In the event that the Nova 3 sets stayed on the North TransPennine route, I wonder what the maintenance regime will be for the Class 185s: is it crucial for them to periodically visit York or can the other depots take that work on?
Many thanks indeed for that. So there’s no reason for the switch from a maintenance point of view.As it currently stands...
Class 185 A Exam - York (can be done at Ardwick too)
Class 185 B Exam - Ardwick
Class 350 A Exam - Ardwick
Class 350 B Exam - Ardwick
Note the 350s leave soon...
Many thanks indeed for that. So there’s no reason for the switch from a maintenance point of view.
I would read it the opposite way in that it is better to keep 185 on TPE north.Many thanks indeed for that. So there’s no reason for the switch from a maintenance point of view.
It would seem odd to get drivers/guards/catering hosts all trained up on Nova 3, only to move the trains away from the North TransPennine route. Perhaps it was a quiet afternoon in the RAIL office and they were struggling to fill their ‘magazine’
Why do you think that?I would read it the opposite way in that it is better to keep 185 on TPE north.
Mess skilled staff around and they will go elsewhere, it’s a concept management seem to struggle withThe exams have actually been swapped about between depots in recent years. York used to do the B exams. Things change often, staff don't know what's coming next and as a result the majority of (who were) York now work on IEPs in Doncaster!
Siemens Depot near either end of the northern route permutations.Why do you think that?
I’m not exactly sure what an ‘A’ exam involves, but from this post:Siemens Depot near either end of the northern route permutations.
CAF/Alstom facilities at the western end of Nova3.
it seems it would be easy enough to transfer the work to Ardwick (or perhaps another depot).As it currently stands...
Class 185 A Exam - York (can be done at Ardwick too)
Class 185 B Exam - Ardwick
Class 350 A Exam - Ardwick
Class 350 B Exam - Ardwick
Note the 350s leave soon...
I can't remember the time scales exactly, but I think A exams are roughly weekly, and B exams roughly monthly? Feel free to correct me folks!I’m not exactly sure what an ‘A’ exam involves, but from this post:
it seems it would be easy enough to transfer the work to Ardwick (or perhaps another depot).
A news article in the latest Rail Magazine (already available digitally) states that, should TPE get the Liverpool - Nottingham route, all the 'Nova 3' Mk5a trains would be transferred to that route, with their current and planned routes in the north reverting to 185 operation. This would mean that all the 185s are retained - and that no new trains visit my town.
I can't remember the time scales exactly, but I think A exams are roughly weekly, and B exams roughly monthly? Feel free to correct me folks!
I was probably a bit out then! Thanks for the infoEvery 30,000 miles.
As opposed to the equally capable Siemens depot in Manchester? Not to mention the recent investment in a light maintenance depot sized specifically for the Nova 3 sets in Scarborough...Siemens Depot near either end of the northern route permutations.
CAF/Alstom facilities at the western end of Nova3.
That number is not correct. Regardless of LIV - NOT. It changes on a regular basis.
I’m not sure if we’re missing each other’s point?
Infrastructure already allows 6 car working and C-ASDO will enable longer trains to call at short platforms without the need for two guards.
Any new services outside of the enhanced Anglo-Scot offering (for which paths were obtained ages ago) will be the transfer of routes currently operated by other TOCs.
That will be an interesting one, something not likely go down well with passengers travelling on the Nova 3's in the North area of the TransPennine route.
However, 6-coach Class 185's mean more seats than a 5-car Nova 3.
Is it to late to order more Mk5's so that each route is served by one type of train?There aren't enough Mk5s to operate all services on two routes, so 185s have to operate alongside the 68+Mk5s anyway.
Is it to late to order more Mk5's so that each route is served by one type of train?
I think based on the success of their introduction they’d be way more likely to order 802s for a common fleet across all the Manchester York tpe routes.
I hope Scarborough could be repurposed! Would be horrendous if I shut.
So you would need a further 14 or 15 802s (for 13 diagrams). That isn't going to come cheap. You then end up with the issue of where to send the 185s (which we are discussing) and Mk 5s which are already available (or due to be). 6-car 185s are not inappropriate units for the Middlesbrough route given they don't operate any material distance on 125mph track.
A news article in the latest Rail Magazine (already available digitally) states that, should TPE get the Liverpool - Nottingham route, all the 'Nova 3' Mk5a trains would be transferred to that route, with their current and planned routes in the north reverting to 185 operation. This would mean that all the 185s are retained - and that no new trains visit my town.
Especially when we hear the ASDO system doesn't work and has been isolated, and some days the SDO doesn't work either so 6 car trains can't stop at shorter stations. About 100 left fuming on the platform at Dore & Totley last Thursday when the 7.14 sailed through without stopping - 'a technical fault'.
At least the lovely EMR guard came to the rescue and accepted all their TPE only tickets without question when their control didn't bother to tip anyone off... Busy morning that was!
Our knowledge and experience of the route isn't worth a sausage in the face of Transport for the North's relentless quest for 'forget the question, the answer is TPE' however - so screw it, I'll look forward to an easier life pottering around Lincolnshire and never having to work through Manchester again!