TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service

[The Northern Star]

Nova 3

05/10/2019

Loco: 68030 Rake: TP12

1E23 0556 LIV-SCA
1F60 0941 SCA-LIV
1E37 1256 LIV-SCA
1F74 1644 SCA-LIV
1E51 1956 LIV-SCA
1P98 2246 SCA-MAN


Loco: 68027 Rake: TP09

1E25 0656 LIV-SCA
1F62 1041 SCA-LIV
1E39 1356 LIV-SCA
1F76 1744 SCA-LIV
1J53 2056 LIV-SYB

 

[50007]

1F62 terminated at Victoria - conductor shortage apparently. Enjoyed the ride that far though.
What’s happening with sear reservations? All paper, some electronic display but not agreeing with each other.

 

[Dood75]

Nova 3

05/10/2019

Loco: 68030 Rake: TP12

1E23 0556 LIV-SCA
1F60 0941 SCA-LIV
1E37 1256 LIV-SCA
1F74 1644 SCA-LIV
1E51 1956 LIV-SCA
1P98 2246 SCA-MAN


Loco: 68027 Rake: TP09

1E25 0656 LIV-SCA
1F62 1041 SCA-LIV
1E39 1356 LIV-SCA
1F76 1744 SCA-LIV
1J53 2056 LIV-SYB

Anyone know what is out today and on what diagrams, particulary if 68030 is out

Many thanks

 

[Dood75]

Just following on Railcam both 5E29 and 5M04 are en route to LIV and MCV to take up the diagrams, both ex Longsight.....so hopefully a good sign

 

[68011]

Sun 06/10 confirmed

68030 / TP12 worked 9M04 08:25 MCV-LIV and has just left Liverpool working 1E31 09:55 LIV-SCA

68027 / TP09 is working 1E29 08:56 LIV-SCA

See post 30 on page 1 for the full diagrams.

 

[sjpowermac]

Yorkshire locos
68020 York PSD
68032 York P SD
68023 Scarborough

The route learning trips between Scarborough/York and Redcar Central have continued this week and there are paths for next week too.

A major change from next week is the cessation of the light engine diagram off Scarborough in favour of a trip using a Nova 3 set. 68026 plus TP11 arrived at the new Scarborough TMD on Friday 04.10.2019

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se.../07/0000-2359?stp=S&show=all&order=wtt&toc=TP

Tuesday 01.10.2019
68020
0A90/91/92/93/94
0A90 ran from York Exam Road
0A94 ran to Scarborough

Wednesday 02.10.2019
68020
0A90/91/92/93/94
0A90 from Scarborough
0A94 to York

Thursday 03.10.2019
68020
0A90/91/92/93
0A90 from York
0A93 to York

Friday 04.10.2019
Nothing running

0A90 07:14 Scarborough/08:08 York-Redcar Central
0A91 10:14 Redcar Central-Middlesbrough
0A92 10:33 Middlesbrough-Redcar Central
0A93 11:08 Redcar Central-Middlesbrough Sidings
0A94 13:17 Middlesbrough Sidings-York/Scarborough

 

[sjpowermac]

TP08 Brake Tests/Fault Free Running
This week saw the commencement of brake test runs (Monday into Tuesday) and then fault free running trips for TP08. This is the sixth set to go through FFR.

In a break from the norm, there were FFR runs off Crewe C.S. on the Sunday.

Monday 30.09.2019
68021 plus TP08
21:20 MID-Nuneaton
23:37 Nuneaton-Stafford

Tuesday 01.10.2019
68021 plus TP08
01:05 Stafford-Nuneaton
02:02 Nuneaton-Stafford
03:41 Stafford-Nuneaton (74 early)
04:31 Nuneaton-MID (80 early)

Wednesday 02.10.2019
68021 plus TP08
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
12:33 Crewe-MID

Thursday 03.10.2019
Nothing running

Friday 04.10.2019
68021 plus TP08
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Bletchley
15:33 Bletchley-Crewe C.S.

Saturday 05.10.2019
Nothing running

Sunday 06.10.2019
68019 plus TP08
09:12 Crewe C.S.
12:00 Bletchley-Crewe
14:46 Crewe-Bletchley
16:37 Bletchley-Crewe C.S.

 

[sjpowermac]

Nova 3 in passenger service
This week has seen the introduction of a fresh Nova 3 set into passenger service with 68030 ‘Black Douglas’ plus TP12 in traffic on both Saturday and Sunday.

This week there were zero cancellations due to the train, and just one due to shortage of train crew.

Does anyone know the official TPE designations for the diagrams? I’ve labelled them 1 and 2 in the order they were introduced!

As always, any corrections then please do let me know and I’ll update.

Monday 30.09.2019
68027 plus TP09 (Liverpool end)
Diagram 1

Tuesday 1st October 2019
68027 plus TP09 (Liverpool end)
Diagram 1

Wednesday 2nd October 2019
68027 plus TP09 (Liverpool end)
Diagram 1
5F48/1F48/1E25
5F48 04:54 Longsight-Manchester Vic
Then stepped up at Scarborough to work Diagram 2:
1F60/1E37/1F74/1E51/1P98/5F86

Thursday 03.10.2019
68027 plus TP09 (Scarborough end)
Diagram 2

68026 plus TP11 (Liverpool end)
Diagram 1

Friday 04.10.2019
68026 plus TP11 (Liverpool end)
Diagram 1
5F48/1F48/1E25/1F62/1E39
Then to Scarborough TMD (as planned) for depot training and practical handling for Scarborough train crew.
(Rest of diagram worked by a Class 185)

Saturday 05.10.2019
68030 plus TP12 (Liverpool end)
Diagram 2
5E23/1E23/1F60/1E37
1F74 16:44 Scarborough-Manchester Victoria

1F74/1E51 cancelled between Manchester Victoria and Liverpool Lime Street due to late running caused by track problems.
5E51 Manchester Victoria to Manchester Victoria via Man Vic Reverse Sidings
1E51 20:32 Manchester Victoria-Scarborough
1P98/5F86

68027 plus TP09 (Liverpool end)
Diagram 1
5F48/1F48/1E25
1F62 10:41 Scarborough-Manchester Victoria

1F62/1E39 cancelled between Manchester Victoria and Liverpool LS due to a shortage of train crew.

1E39 14:33 Manchester Victoria-Scarborough
1F76/1J53/5H53


Sunday 6th October 2019
68027 (Liverpool end)
5E29 07:09 Longsight-Liverpool LS
(via Warrington)
1E29 08:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F66 12:41 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1E43 15:52 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F80 19:44 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
5H93 22:52 Liverpool LS-Longsight

68030 plus TP12 (Scarborough end)
5M04 07:24 Longsight-Manchester Victoria
9M04 08:25 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool
1E31 09:55 Liverpool-Scarborough
1F68 13:44 Scarborough-Liverpool
1E45 16:52 Liverpool-Scarborough
1P42 20:42 Scarborough-Manchester Airport
5H42 23:40 Manchester Airport-Longsight (00:19)

Monday-Saturday
Diagram 1
5F48 04:54 Longsight-Manchester Vic
1F48 05:55 Manchester Vic-Liverpool LS
1E25 06:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F62 10:41 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1E39 13:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F76 17:44 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1J53 20:56 Liverpool LS-Stalybridge
5H53 21:57 Stalybridge-Longsight

Diagram 2
5E23 04:06 Longsight-LIV
1E23 05:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F60 09:41 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1E37 12:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F74 16:44 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1E51 19:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1P98 22:46 Scarborough-Manchester Picc
5F86 01:32 Manchester Picc-Longsight

 

[L+Y]

Is there an intention to add any more diagrams in the coming weeks, or will it remain as just the two for the foreseeable?

 

[LittleAH]

Two for the foreseeable. I believe TPE haven't accepted anymore yet as CAF have not delivered a product that is up to standard.

 

[sjpowermac]

Two for the foreseeable. I believe TPE haven't accepted anymore yet as CAF have not delivered a product that is up to standard.

Nova 3 sets accepted

TP09
Accepted 12.04.2019
Passenger service 24.08.2019
Loco 68027

TP06
Accepted 15.05.2019

TP04
Accepted 04.07.2019
Passenger service 19.09.2019
Loco 68025

TP11
Accepted 11.07.2019
Passenger service from 28.08.2019
Loco 68026

TP12
Accepted 29.09.2019(?)
Passenger service from 05.10.2019
Loco 68030

Can anyone confirm the official date for TP12?

With TP11 at Scarborough for training I’d guess it might be a few weeks before we see a third diagram. TP08 undergoing Fault Free Running is a very positive sign. I wonder if we might see another diagram by the end of October?

 

[JonathanH]

They are pretty much fixed formation like units aren't they (intermediate bar couplings?) so I expect they should remain fairly constant - indeed hasn't it been written that the 68 on each set won't change that often either?

 

[JonathanH]

With TP11 at Scarborough for training I’d guess it might be a few weeks before we see a third diagram.

I'd guess that the key development needed for more diagrams is enough staff trained at Scarborough to start and finish a diagram there instead of Longsight.

 

[sjpowermac]

I'd guess that the key development needed for more diagrams is enough staff trained at Scarborough to start and finish a diagram there instead of Longsight.

I think that’s spot on. With the new Scarborough TMD now open and Scarborough crews being trained, it seems things are moving on very nicely.

 

[JonathanH]

Is there an intention to add any more diagrams in the coming weeks, or will it remain as just the two for the foreseeable?

Two for the foreseeable. I believe TPE haven't accepted anymore yet as CAF have not delivered a product that is up to standard.

I'd guess that the key development needed for more diagrams is enough staff trained at Scarborough to start and finish a diagram there instead of Longsight.

I think that’s spot on. With the new Scarborough TMD now open and Scarborough crews being trained, it seems things are moving on very nicely.

It isn't obvious that any more diagrams would be easy to add before the December timetable change so perhaps just two until then? Looking at RTT:

1) There aren't any additional workings which start at Longsight shown before 16 December 2019. One of the current 185 workings to Scarborough starts at Ardwick and two which start at Scarborough finish there.
2) There are three 185 diagrams that start at Scarborough. One (0600 to Manchester Airport) goes onto Newcastle / Middlesbrough workings. The other two do Scarborough all day but end up at Ardwick as noted above
3) There are three 185 diagrams which end at Scarborough. Two do Newcastle / Middlesbrough workings during the day, the other starts at York.
4) Other diagrams start at York which doesn't seem to get 68+Mk5 stabled until mid-February

The closest to an out and back diagram from Scarborough onto which you could put 68+Mk5 is the diagram which starts with 0738 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street. This ends 2146 Scarborough to Manchester Victoria / 2358 Manchester Victoria to Ardwick. You could run this last part by stepping up the 185 off the 1856 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough (arrives 2139). It would then be straightforward to swap the 68+Mk5 which does the 2246 to Manchester Piccadilly to create three diagrams (with the existing pair).

Having looked at RTT after 17 December, there are then additional workings from Longsight and segregation of Scarborough workings from other routes. Notably, the current Manchester Victoria starter (1F48) goes back to coming from Ardwick until 17 February 2020. It would appear that this date is when 68+Mk5 stock is planned to start / finish at York and maybe from which point there are seven diagrams but obviously I am only guessing at this.

For reference, I think the current weekday diagrams involving Scarborough implied by RTT are:

A Existing 68+MK5
5E23 0433 Longsight Car. M.D. to Liverpool Lime Street
1E23 0556 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F60 0941½ Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E37 1256 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F74 1644 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E51 1956 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1P98 2246 Scarborough to Manchester Piccadilly
5H86 0124 Manchester Piccadilly to Longsight Car. M.D.

B Existing 68+Mk5
5F48 0454 Longsight Car. M.D. to Manchester Victoria
1F48 0555 Manchester Victoria to Liverpool Lime Street
1E25 0656 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F62 1041½ Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E39 1356 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F76 1744 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1J53 2056 Liverpool Lime Street to Stalybridge
5H53 2157 Stalybridge to Longsight Car. M.D.

C Existing 185 - has Middlesbrough work
1P62 0600 Scarborough to Manchester Airport
1P19 0917 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P28 1317 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P83 1642 Manchester Airport to Middlesbrough
1A52 1957 Middlesbrough to York
5A52 2105 York to Doncaster
5T52 2212 Doncaster to York Siemens Trans Systems

D Existing 185 - ends Ardwick
1F54 0642 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E31 0956 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F68 1344 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E45 1656 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F82 2044 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
5W82 2355 Liverpool Lime Street to Ardwick T.M.D

E Existing 185 - ends Ardwick but is swap possible at Scarborough with F?
1F56 0738 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E33 1056 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F70 1444 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E47 1756 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F84 2146 Scarborough to Manchester Victoria
5W84 2358 Manchester Victoria to Ardwick T.M.D

F Existing 185 - starts York
5T21 0517 York Siemens Trans Systems to York
1T21 0625 York to Scarborough
1F58 0845 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E35 1156 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F72 1544 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E49 1856 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
Stables at Scarborough

G Existing 185 - starts Ardwick
5P05 0229 Ardwick T.M.D to Manchester Piccadilly
1P05 0242 Manchester Piccadilly to York
1F50 0538 York to Liverpool Lime Street
1E27 0754 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F64 1141½ Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E41 1456 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1P96 1842 Scarborough to Manchester Airport
1P45 2206 Manchester Airport to York
5P45 2353 York to York Siemens Trans Systems

H Existing 185 - starts York, has Middlesbrough trip
5F52 0354 York to Middlesbrough
1F52 0543 Middlesbrough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E29 0856 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F66 1244 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E43 1556 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1P40 1944 Scarborough to Manchester Airport
1P47 2319 Manchester Airport to York
5P47 0205 York to York Siemens Trans Systems

I Existing 185 - mainly Newcastle / Middlesbrough
5P20 0900 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Newcastle
1P20 0921 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P75 1247 Manchester Airport to Middlesbrough
5P82 1541 Middlesbrough to Middlesbrough
1P82 1555 Middlesbrough to Manchester Airport
1P39 1917 Manchester Airport to York
1T51 2105 York to Scarborough
Stables at Scarborough

J Existing 185 - Sheffield then mainly Newcastle / Middlesbrough
5B61 0345 Crofton Depot to Sheffield
1B61 0511 Sheffield to Manchester Airport
1P15 0717 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P24 1117 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P79 1447 Manchester Airport to Middlesbrough
5P86 1741 Middlesbrough to Middlesbrough
1P86 1755 Middlesbrough to Manchester Airport
1E53 2044 Manchester Airport to Scarborough
Stables at Scarborough

Diagrams implied by RTT involving Scarborough from the December timetable change are as follows.

Diagram 1 - appears to be 68+Mk5
5F52 xxxx Scarborough Tmd to Scarborough
1F52 0534 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E29 0854 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F66 1234 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E43 1554 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1P92 1934 Scarborough to Manchester Airport
5H90 2243 Manchester Airport to Longsight Car. M.D.

Diagram 2 - appears to be 68+Mk5
5F54 xxxx Scarborough Tmd to Scarborough
1F54 0634 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E31 0953 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F68 1334 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E45 1654 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1P94 2034 Scarborough to Manchester Airport
5H84 2316 Manchester Airport to Longsight Car. M.D.

Diagram 3 - possible to operate using 185 - change on 17 February 2020 or later?
5T19 0525 York Siemens Trans Systems to York
1T19 0604 York to Scarborough
1F56 0734 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E33 1054 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F70 1434 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E47 1754 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1P96 2134 Scarborough to Manchester Airport
1P03 0038 Manchester Airport to York
5P03 0301 York to York Siemens Trans Systems

Diagram 4 - 185 until 14 February 2020, 68+Mk5 from 17 February 2020
5T21 0618 York Siemens Trans Systems to York
1T21 0702½ York to Scarborough
1F58 0834 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E35 1154 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F72 1534 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E49 1854 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1P98 2245 Scarborough to Manchester Piccadilly
Until 14 February 2020
5W98 0124 Manchester Piccadilly to Ardwick T.M.D
From 17 February 2020
5H98 0124 Manchester Piccadilly to Longsight Car. M.D.

Diagram 5 - appears to be 68+Mk5
5E23 0604 Longsight Car. M.D. to Manchester Piccadilly
1E23 0627 Manchester Piccadilly to Scarborough
1F60 0934 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E37 1254 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F74 1634 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E51 1954 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
5E51 xxxx Scarborough to Scarborough Tmd

Diagram 6 - 185 until 14 February 2020, 68+Mk5 from 17 February 2020
Until 14 February 2020
5F48 0511 Ardwick T.M.D to Manchester Victoria
From 17 February 2020
5F48 0437 Longsight Car. M.D. to Manchester Victoria
1F48 0554 Manchester Victoria to Liverpool Lime Street
1E25 0654 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F62 1034 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E39 1354 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F76 1734 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E55 2206 Liverpool Lime Street to York
5E55 0013 York to York Siemens Trans Systems

Diagram 7 - appears to be 68+Mk3
5P05 0224 Longsight Car. M.D. to Manchester Piccadilly
1P05 0242 Manchester Piccadilly to York
1F50 0528 York to Liverpool Lime Street
1E27 0754 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F64 1134 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street
1E41 1454 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough
1F78 1834 Scarborough to Manchester Victoria
1E53 2115 Manchester Victoria to Scarborough
5E53 xxxx Scarborough to Scarborough Tmd

Other diagram involving Scarborough - clearly a 185
2F81 0559 Cleethorpes to Barton-on-Humber
2F82 0658 Barton-on-Humber to Cleethorpes
1B71 0826 Cleethorpes to Manchester Airport
1B76 1153 Manchester Airport to Cleethorpes
1B85 1526 Cleethorpes to Manchester Airport
1P39 1910 Manchester Airport to Scarborough
1T86 2215 Scarborough to York
5T86 2316 York to York Siemens Trans Systems

 

[pieguyrob]

Thank you for your help gentlemen. It was set TP 08 I saw at Crewe on Saturday, with 68019. There was one carriage I didn't get the number of, but as they are fixed sets, it narrows it down as to which one I missed. Again thank you.

 

[Spartacus]

It isn't obvious that any more diagrams would be easy to add before the December timetable change so perhaps just two until then? Looking at RTT:

1) There aren't any additional workings which start at Longsight shown before 16 December 2019. One of the current 185 workings to Scarborough starts at Ardwick and two which start at Scarborough finish there.
2) There are three 185 diagrams that start at Scarborough. One (0600 to Manchester Airport) goes onto Newcastle / Middlesbrough workings. The other two do Scarborough all day but end up at Ardwick as noted above
3) There are three 185 diagrams which end at Scarborough. Two do Newcastle / Middlesbrough workings during the day, the other starts at York.
4) Other diagrams start at York which doesn't seem to get 68+Mk5 stabled until mid-February

The closest to an out and back diagram from Scarborough onto which you could put 68+Mk5 is the diagram which starts with 0738 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street. This ends 2146 Scarborough to Manchester Victoria / 2358 Manchester Victoria to Ardwick. You could run this last part by stepping up the 185 off the 1856 Liverpool Lime Street to Scarborough (arrives 2139). It would then be straightforward to swap the 68+Mk5 which does the 2246 to Manchester Piccadilly to create three diagrams (with the existing pair).

Having looked at RTT after 17 December, there are then additional workings from Longsight and segregation of Scarborough workings from other routes. Notably, the current Manchester Victoria starter (1F48) goes back to coming from Ardwick until 17 February 2020. It would appear that this date is when 68+Mk5 stock is planned to start / finish at York and maybe from which point there are seven diagrams but obviously I am only guessing at this.

For reference, I think the current weekday diagrams involving Scarborough implied by RTT are:



Diagrams implied by RTT involving Scarborough from the December timetable change are as follows.

Not having a Longsight schedule’s no issue at all, the Longsight ones in use now are frequently used for 185s coming off Ardwick, and putting a new schedule in could be easily enough done if needed, and I don’t see any particular problem with a diagram starting at one end and finishing at the other if it did the opposite move the day after. Even an ECS to SCA at the end of the day wouln’t be the end of the world.

 

[The Northern Star]

Nova 3

07/10/2019

Loco: 68030 Rake: TP12 - First class Rear to SCA/Front to LIV

1E23 0556 LIV-SCA
1F60 0941 SCA-LIV
1E37 1256 LIV-SCA
1F74 1644 SCA-LIV
1E51 1956 LIV-SCA
1P98 2246 SCA-MAN

 

[JonathanH]

Not having a Longsight schedule’s no issue at all, the Longsight ones in use now are frequently used for 185s coming off Ardwick, and putting a new schedule in could be easily enough done if needed, and I don’t see any particular problem with a diagram starting at one end and finishing at the other if it did the opposite move the day after. Even an ECS to SCA at the end of the day wouln’t be the end of the world.

You are right, it would be possible to put in an 'short-term plan' change to one or two of the diagrams before December. 'Short-term plan' workings go into the schedules on a frequent basis - e.g. this morning's move of a class 68 from Longsight to York and 5F48 coming from Ardwick this morning.

All I guess that I am saying is that there is currently no obvious sign of a 'long-term plan' diagram for 68+Mk5 before the December timetable change. On the same token, it is clearly possible to have 185s running the Longsight starters after December but coming from Ardwick.

However, the 'long-term plan' as implied by the open data feed appears to show four diagrams from mid-December and then the next uplift in mid-February.

 

[68011]

All I guess that I am saying is that there is currently no obvious sign of a 'long-term plan' diagram for 68+Mk5 before the December timetable change. On the same token, it is clearly possible to have 185s running the Longsight starters after December but coming from Ardwick.

However, the 'long-term plan' as implied by the open data feed appears to show four diagrams from mid-December and then the next uplift in mid-February.

there is a plan for before December and the set being at Scarborough is a good sign however whether it happens or not depends very much on train crew being passed out.

 

[68011]

Two for the foreseeable. I believe TPE haven't accepted anymore yet as CAF have not delivered a product that is up to standard.

Hmmm your opinion seems to differ somewhat to the actual facts. You seem to be oblivious to the various postings which if you read would see that 5 sets have been accepted with 4 of those being used in passenger service so far.

 

[The Northern Star]

I can assure you that CAF team are working their socks off at MID. They're about to except another MK5 set...

 

[sjpowermac]

You are right, it would be possible to put in an 'short-term plan' change to one or two of the diagrams before December. 'Short-term plan' workings go into the schedules on a frequent basis - e.g. this morning's move of a class 68 from Longsight to York and 5F48 coming from Ardwick this morning.

All I guess that I am saying is that there is currently no obvious sign of a 'long-term plan' diagram for 68+Mk5 before the December timetable change. On the same token, it is clearly possible to have 185s running the Longsight starters after December but coming from Ardwick.

However, the 'long-term plan' as implied by the open data feed appears to show four diagrams from mid-December and then the next uplift in mid-February.

Thank you so much for your time in posting the diagrams, certainly an interesting read.

It certainly looks like the ‘low hanging fruit’ of out and back turns from Longsight have already been taken.

From your list the cycle G/F/D would look to be the next potential diagram, assuming York is ready to receive the sets.

 

[sjpowermac]

there is a plan for before December and the set being at Scarborough is a good sign however whether it happens or not depends very much on train crew being passed out.

Thanks for that. I understand the reason for days with one set out rather than two has been down to a shortage of crew passed out. Fingers crossed the training at Scarborough eases this.

 

[sjpowermac]

1F60 shown as 41 late from Scarborough. According to TPE ‘Journey Check’ this is ‘due to a fault on this train’.

 

[68011]

1F60 shown as 41 late from Scarborough. According to TPE ‘Journey Check’ this is ‘due to a fault on this train’.

Unable to open the doors on the set prior to boarding was one reason given, believe there was a safety issue too as heard the guard say this to a passenger on the next table.

 

[Uncle Bulgaria]

Does anyone know what the plans are for Friday and Saturday 11th and 12th October for the 68s??

 

[68011]

1F60 terminating at MCV due to late running, 1E37 starting from MCV.

 

[Ben Bow]

Four in storage:
TP02 and TP05 13.08.2019
47830 5Z47 06:56 Crewe Barford Hall Yard-Longtown M.O.D

TP01 23.08.2019
66504 5Z47 06:56 Crewe Basford Hall Yard – Longtown M.O.D.

TP03 12.09.2019
66522 5M66 03:50 Crewe Basford Hall-Longsight
5M66 05:23 Longsight-Longtown M.O.D.

Thank you for the information, much appreciated.

 

[68011]

Yorkshire locos
68020 York PSD
68032 York P SD
68023 Scarborough

As at 14:50hrs today 020 & 032 are stabled in York PSD & 68029 is stabled in York P2 which ran from Longsight this morning https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N00815/2019/10/07/advanced