Flooding disruption around Sheffield and Doncaster (7 November onwards)

[Mitchell Hurd]

Hello everyone. I understand there's flooding on the railway between Sheffield and Leeds.

I understand as a result that 2 CrossCountry services - 17:47 Southampton to York service and the 16:25 from Plymouth to Leeds were terminated at Derby. Good idea to prevent passengers stranded on trains. One was used to run the 21:31 from Derby to Bristol Temple Meads (ex-17:07 from Edinburgh).

Whats the status with the 15:25 Plymouth to Leeds at the moment? I'm hoping there's not another scenario similar to when EMR (when EMT) back in June 5 months back had 2 HST's - one of which (1C52) had passengers stuck from what 15:45 to the last passenger off at 23:14 according to the July or August 'RAIL' magazine.

Hopefully that XC HST won't be stuck for too long - unless it's on the move.

 

[Rich McLean]

Still at Swinton. Could be a case of Terminate there and detrain passengers for onward road transport, and a spare driver sought from Leeds via Taxi to spend the night with the set until the line can open. Not at that stage yet mind

EDIT: Been sent back and running via Barnsley

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

Still at Swinton. Could be a case of Terminate there and detrain passengers for onward road transport, and a spare driver sought from Leeds via Taxi to spend the night with the set until the line can open. Not at that stage yet mind

Hopefully the Power Cars have enough fuel to keep running.......

Phew, well that's something - better that than stuck between stations.

 

[Rich McLean]

Phew, well that's something - better that than stuck between stations.

Been sent back to run via Barnsley, it won't appear on RTT. Currently passing Normington

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

Been sent back to run via Barnsley, it won't appear on RTT. Currently passing Normington

Was just looking at XC's JourneyCheck and it's not on there. Mind you, not really worth it when it's not that far away from Leeds anyway.

 

[johntea]

I would have rather been stuck on a train than stuck in Meadowhell that is for sure

 

[Floydlover25]

Must be pretty bad between Sheffield and Lincoln as well!

 

[LittleAH]

Given nearly a months rain has fallen in a day across Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, I'm amazed it wasn't worse. The roads near me were pretty much impassable at times.

Manchester - Liverpool suspended. As was the Calder Valley and Sheffield - Scunthorpe too. Getting back home from Mancheser wasn't easy tonight but the railway workers on the front line were excellent and tried to keep us informed. Sadly, the same can't be said for my fellow passengers, some of whom were behaving like spoiled brats. The twitter feeds of Northern and TPE tell that story.

 

[londonmidland]

The Hope Valley line is also flooded at Grindleford, which means no East Midlands Railway services between Sheffield and Manchester. Rail replacement in operation. Not sure what TransPennine Express and Northern are/were doing.

 

[Tractor37]

No services from Leeds via the Dearne Valley to Sheffield today (Friday). There will be peak time services between Leeds and Fitzwilliam.

 

[lyndhurst25]

It's 6.20 am on Friday and I'm checking Northern's website to see which lines are disrupted today but the last update was at 10.30 pm last night. Poor show.

 

[Bantamzen]

It's 6.20 am on Friday and I'm checking Northern's website to see which lines are disrupted today but the last update was at 10.30 pm last night. Poor show.

Their Twitter feed is updating at the moment, but it may also be that these teams do not work 24/7 so the site may only be updated when they are available & receive updates from their control / Network Rail. But given that the rain has not long stopped in most areas (and may still be falling in some, especially Sheffield), I think it is safe to assume that not much will have changed overnight.

 

[johnnychips]

Nothing running between Sheffield and Doncaster.

 

[YorksDMU]

From Hull, the stopping service to Sheffield is going as far as Goole. I’m looking at RTT. I’m thinking, like last time, there may be then a bus to Doncaster. The fast service from Bridlington to Hull and Sheffield has some cancellations so far, but, hopefully, it can be routed via Selby to Doncaster. Whether it will get through to Sheffield is probably not possible. I’ll keep an eye on RTT.

 

[M60lad]

Hope Valley back open now with services expected to run as normal today

 

[johnnychips]

RTT is not accurate today, as I found to my cost!

 

[YorksDMU]

This from NRE:


Hull / Goole - Sheffield

Trains are currently unable to run between Goole and Sheffield due to dangerously high river levels that are expected to peak throughout the morning.

There will be no rail replacement service in operation due to road closures in the affected area. Passengers are advised NOT TO TRAVEL where possible.

A normal service will operate between Hull and Goole where possible.


Leeds - Doncaster

Flooding in the South Elmsall and Adwick area means trains are currently unable to run between Leeds and Doncaster.

Nothern are advising customers NOT TO TRAVEL on this route.

LNER customer advice:

Services may be diverted and not call at Wakefield Westgate. Buses will operate between Wakefield Westgate and Doncaster.


Sheffield - Doncaster

Severe flooding at Rotherham Central, Moorthorpe and Conisbrough is resulting in services between Sheffield and Doncaster being suspended until further notice.

There is no road replacement available to serve the route due to road closures and lack of vehicles available.

 

[johnnychips]

Sheffield - Doncaster

Severe flooding at Rotherham Central, Moorthorpe and Conisbrough is resulting in services between Sheffield and Doncaster being suspended until further notice.

There is no road replacement available to serve the route due to road closures and lack of vehicles available.

The x78 bus is running between Sheffield, Rotherham and Doncaster but currently omitting Meadowhall

 

[HullRailMan]

Not sure why road transport can’t be arranged between Sheffield and Doncaster, local service buses are running so the roads must be open. Only available route towards Hull from Sheffield at the moment is via Leeds.

 

[Bantamzen]

Not sure why road transport can’t be arranged between Sheffield and Doncaster, local service buses are running so the roads must be open. Only available route towards Hull from Sheffield at the moment is via Leeds.

It could be any number of reasons but a fair bet might be that the usual companies used have been unable to supply vehicles and/or drivers. I remember a similar situation back in 2007 when a number of lines in the same area were affected. A lot of places didn't have replacement road transport as some companies and/or their drivers were directly affected by the floods. The local timetabled services running doesn't always mean that there are also vehicles available for Rail Replacement Buses.

 

[sprinterguy]

In a pleasing example of cooperation between operators on the modern railway, as a secondary impact of the flooding at Sheffield, Crosscountry ran a planned ECS as a passenger service in place of EMR's 23:10 Nottingham - Leicester at the end of last night. Not often that you get a Crosscountry Turbostar calling at East Midlands Parkway and Loughborough.

No estimate on when the line between Sheffield and Doncaster at Conisborough is expected to reopen, so Crosscountry South West - North East services continue to divert via Barnsley, which is fairly rare. No Reading - Newcastle trains running north of Birmingham at all it seems, so I assume that what Crosscountry trains are running are going to be even more crowded than usual!

 

[Searle]

Must be pretty bad between Sheffield and Lincoln as well!

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I don't think that the line is **** because of the flooding, more because of the pacers

 

[brompton rail]

It could be any number of reasons but a fair bet might be that the usual companies used have been unable to supply vehicles and/or drivers. I remember a similar situation back in 2007 when a number of lines in the same area were affected. A lot of places didn't have replacement road transport as some companies and/or their drivers were directly affected by the floods. The local timetabled services running doesn't always mean that there are also vehicles available for Rail Replacement Buses.

However, there is a frequent (upto every ten minutes) X78 (as mentioned) bus service running between Doncaster Interchange (adjacent to station), Rotherham Interchange (3 minute walk to the closed Rotherham Central) and Sheffield Interchange ( over the road from Midland Station). Takes 1h 20 mins but beats walking. I guess First Bus won’t accept rail tickets.

Hull shouldn’t be a problem either as buses could run direct to Doncaster via M62/M18 going nowhere near flooded areas. Incidentally the Doncaster Scunthorpe stoppers are still running via Carcroft and avoiding the flooding at Kirk Sandall.

 

[mm333]

Incidentally the Doncaster Scunthorpe stoppers are still running via Carcroft and avoiding the flooding at Kirk Sandall.

I was impressed with that. I wouldn't have thought there'd be that many guards and drivers that sign the freight line between Hatfield and Adwick.

 

[rg177]

I have an advance purchase ticket for the 1457 Sheffield to York via Pontefract this afternoon. Nothing mentioned so far but I see they've cancelled the inbound service "by stealth" as it's not on RTT anymore (1313 York to Sheffield).

Northern haven't mentioned any ticket acceptance for this route so I assume the logical way is via Barnsley and Leeds on Northern?

 

[LittleAH]

Not sure why road transport can’t be arranged between Sheffield and Doncaster, local service buses are running so the roads must be open. Only available route towards Hull from Sheffield at the moment is via Leeds.

Finite resources.

 

[sheff1]

Hope Valley back open now with services expected to run as normal today

TPE's website claims they are unable to operate between Manchester and Sheffield and advises people not to travel. If someone wishes to travel they are advised to go via Leeds !

Meanwhile, as stated above, in the real world direct trains between the cities are operating, seemingly with little delay.

 

[Royston Vasey]

TPE's website claims they are unable to operate between Manchester and Sheffield and advises people not to travel. If someone wishes to travel they are advised to go via Leeds !

Meanwhile, as stated above, in the real world direct trains between the cities are operating, seemingly with little delay.

Very odd, some crossed wires there, cancelled portions are Cleethorpes to Sheffield where the Manchester Airports are starting short, but the Hope Valley is open, Liverpool-Norwich EMR services now close to full service on schedule after some part cancellations earlier.

 

[_toommm_]

Well this is the signalling diagram for the affected area - Rotherham's 'FLUD WATA' has been in the affected area for most of yesterday. I wonder if there's any truth behind the control failure too at Conisbrough...

 

[HullRailMan]

So, coaches are actually running every 30 mins between Doncaster and Sheffield. Staff at sheffield told me Northern are not ‘advertising’ them as they have been organised by TPE and CrossCountry.
Nothing at Doncaster to get anyone towards Hull, even though the roads are open to Goole. Only option given was to wait 2 hours for a Hull Trains service.
Seems to me like Northern have taken the easy option here, no trains running Hull to Doncaster via Selby. Just a ‘do not travel’.