Abellio Greater Anglia Class 755s (Regional Trains)

[LAX54]

It really is moving quickly now.

Just need to sort Peterboro out

Sudbury headcodes for Tuesday: 5Q45 2355 Marks Tey to Sudbury, then Q48 to Colchester, Q49 to Sudbury, and finally Q50 back to Norwich.

 

[dk1]

Just need to sort Peterboro out

Sudbury headcodes for Tuesday: 5Q45 2355 Marks Tey to Sudbury, then Q48 to Colchester, Q49 to Sudbury, and finally Q50 back to Norwich.

I bet they regret stopping at bloody Manea all day now

 

[trebor79]

I bet they regret stopping at bloody Manea all day now

Couldn't they just do what they did with Spooner Row etc and suspend calling at Manea till whatever the issue is is fixed?

 

[dk1]

Couldn't they just do what they did with Spooner Row etc and suspend calling at Manea till whatever the issue is is fixed?

Seems logical but who knows?

 

[LAX54]

So the Class 399's (Sheffield Supertram) where the whole fleet has been withdrawn upon orders from Stadler, would these be the same problems that the 755's have ?

 

[Midnight Sun]

I bet they regret stopping at bloody Manea all day now

Local people depend on this service. Useage has been increasing year on year.

Couldn't they just do what they did with Spooner Row etc and suspend calling at Manea till whatever the issue is is fixed?

Manea is quite a large village, and the poor bus service provide by Stagecoach is a joke, buses not turning up is common. The platforms at Manea are to be extended to four coaches (Funded by Fenland Hall) as will Whittlesea. How would you like services calling at your station suspended untill futher notice?

 

[dgl]

So the Class 399's (Sheffield Supertram) where the whole fleet has been withdrawn upon orders from Stadler, would these be the same problems that the 755's have ?

They were not designed by Stadler but by Vossloh, Stadler just acquired that part of the business (Valencia), so no they will be completely different problems/not related.

 

[Failed Unit]

Local people depend on this service. Useage has been increasing year on year.



Manea is quite a large village, and the poor bus service provide by Stagecoach is a joke, buses not turning up is common. The platforms at Manea are to be extended to four coaches (Funded by Fenland Hall) as will Whittlesea. How would you like services calling at your station suspended untill futher notice?

Although I see your point. No one would. Surely it is better then suspending a whole train service until further notice?

 

[dk1]

The second 3-car entered service yesterday. 755327 was supposed to make the 17:06 Yarmouth but congestion on Crown Point delayed this until the 18:55 Sheringham.

 

[trebor79]

Manea is quite a large village, and the poor bus service provide by Stagecoach is a joke, buses not turning up is common. The platforms at Manea are to be extended to four coaches (Funded by Fenland Hall) as will Whittlesea. How would you like services calling at your station suspended untill futher notice?

I wouldn't, but it's the lesser evil of suspending the entire service surely? In fact it would make no difference to the good people of Manea, who are currently deprived of their GA service anyway!

 

[ashkeba]

I wouldn't, but it's the lesser evil of suspending the entire service surely? In fact it would make no difference to the good people of Manea, who are currently deprived of their GA service anyway!

The difference would be they would feel there was less effort to restore just their stop than an entire service route. That may or may not be correct.

 

[Abbo]

The second 3-car entered service yesterday. 755327 was supposed to make the 17:06 Yarmouth but congestion on Crown Point delayed this until the 18:55 Sheringham.

Did the 1855 actually run to Sheringham ?

 

[Abbo]

The difference would be they would feel there was less effort to restore just their stop than an entire service route. That may or may not be correct.

Must be a daft / simple question but if platform length is the problem what about SDO ?

 

[dk1]

Did the 1855 actually run to Sheringham ?

Probably Cromer.

 

[trebor79]

The difference would be they would feel there was less effort to restore just their stop than an entire service route. That may or may not be correct.

Feelings that people may or may not have should not be part of the equation when working out how to provide the best overall service.
There must be some other reason for the total suspension of service as they obviously didn't put much weight on the "feelings" of the folk at Brundall Gardens etc whilst the SDO problem was fixed.

 

[MikePJ]

Happened to see 1K70 leaving Cambridge for Norwich today. First time I’ve seen a 755 on electric.

[edit] - it's quite difficult to see the pantograph in that picture, but it was definitely raised. It's the rear pantograph, just at the end of the second-to-last coach.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Latest from GA
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/greater-anglia-new-trains-cleared-1-6428610

You will note a change of tack now blaming lack of drivers being trained because of signalling issues but last week they said they had enough drivers and that wasn't a problem at all.

It also doesn't explain if that is the case they don't just run 156s on Peterborough and use 755 on services elsewhere but instead we see 156s where 755s can run.

The whole thing is a farce. Feel sorry for frontline staff.

 

[mawallace]

Here's the quotes -

They are now satisfied that the signalling problems only affect the Norwich to Sheringham line in Norfolk - and that all trains that use that line, old diesel units and freight trains travelling to North Walsham - have been affected by it.

There have been no problems with signalling on any other lines in the region, and Greater Anglia is now trying to reintroduce normal services on all of these.

However the problems of the last three weeks have delayed the commissioning of new trains and training of drivers, so it will be a few days before a normal service is introduced everywhere.

 

[86246]

While the problems may well have delayed the deployment of the 755s on the Peterborough route, the disruption lasted about a week and a half and not the three weeks.

Also the Peterborough service was suffering before the problems started once the 153s were transferred to Wales.

 

[Ecow]

Happened to see 1K70 leaving Cambridge for Norwich today. First time I’ve seen a 755 on electric.

[edit] - it's quite difficult to see the pantograph in that picture, but it was definitely raised. It's the rear pantograph, just at the end of the second-to-last coach.

Fantastic to have new trains in our region and to see the end of the hugely polluting freight diesels on my route.
I’m guessing the excessive hooting now is due to signalling/level crossing issues?

 

[ashkeba]

Feelings that people may or may not have should not be part of the equation when working out how to provide the best overall service.
There must be some other reason for the total suspension of service as they obviously didn't put much weight on the "feelings" of the folk at Brundall Gardens etc whilst the SDO problem was fixed.

Of course there's another reason but you were wrong to say it makes no difference to Manea passengers if they see 755s leaving them behind.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Have to say the electric acceleration on these is very impressive from a standing start. Just had power change at Stowmarket and really notice the difference.

 

[LAX54]

Here's the quotes -

They are now satisfied that the signalling problems only affect the Norwich to Sheringham line in Norfolk - and that all trains that use that line, old diesel units and freight trains travelling to North Walsham - have been affected by it.

There have been no problems with signalling on any other lines in the region, and Greater Anglia is now trying to reintroduce normal services on all of these.

However the problems of the last three weeks have delayed the commissioning of new trains and training of drivers, so it will be a few days before a normal service is introduced everywhere.

Indeed there are restrictions on the Cromer, all trains are treated the same way, to avoid any chance of an incident, eg.. AHB's on local, then normal, then local etc etc. incident waiting to happen

 

[F Great Eastern]

While the problems may well have delayed the deployment of the 755s on the Peterborough route, the disruption lasted about a week and a half and not the three weeks.

Also the Peterborough service was suffering before the problems started once the 153s were transferred to Wales.

Is the problem that the new trains are not cleared to run on the Peterborough line, or there are not enough staff to run these services?

Surely an easy answer is to assign it 156s. There's a good few 156s running around today on lines that are cleared for 755 use, so either someone is poorly allocating trains/staff or there's some other reason behind the suspension of the line.

Saying that if they're as poorly performing as 156422 might be better off without them. It's like a snail. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the go slow one on Cambridge to Ipswich today.

 

[mtmikethom]

Is the problem that the new trains are not cleared to run on the Peterborough line, or there are not enough staff to run these services?

Surely an easy answer is to assign it 156s. There's a good few 156s running around today on lines that are cleared for 755 use, so either someone is poorly allocating trains/staff or there's some other reason behind the suspension of the line.

Saying that if they're as poorly performing as 156422 might be better off without them. It's like a snail. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the go slow one on Cambridge to Ipswich today.

It was and still is 156422

 

[LAX54]

This seems to the the latest missive from GA, whether it is 100% true I do not know, as it says the 156's etc also have issues, but why so suddenly ?
https://www.northnorfolknews.co.uk/...cR71klwLBmZ8PGSuonbr94YjM0NG-XHGyvHKdYhJWTfd0




Rail bosses admitted today they had no idea when disruption hitting the Norwich to Sheringham line would end.







[URL='https://www.railforums.co.uk/#sharinganchor']Passengers on the Bittern Line have been hit with slower running trains and cancellations this month after a near-miss at Thorpe End level crossing.
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[URL='https://www.railforums.co.uk/#sharinganchor']Network Rail said these speed restrictions would stay in place for safety reasons while they investigate how a new Greater Anglia train came within 0.25 seconds of smashing into a car when the crossing's barriers lifted too early on November 24.


A spokesman said they were investigating how train wheels connect with track signalling, as well as the impact of leaves on the line.
However, he could not say how long the investigation would last or when a normal service would run again.

In his weekly message to staff, Greater Anglia's managing director Jamie Burles said the speed restrictions would remain in place until Network Rail changed the signalling system, which is different to other lines in the region.


"Network Rail and Greater Anglia colleagues literally worked through day and night to fully understand the causes," he said.
"Network Rail installed sophisticated signal measuring equipment on Norwich-Cromer-Sheringham line to gain vital information on what was happening, particularly regarding level crossings.

"The information that came back showed the signalling system wasn't picking up both old and new trains as strongly as Network Rail would like."

Mr Burles added that the service was better than last week when 80 services were cancelled every day across the network.

But that disruption has put back the testing of Greater Anglia's new fleet of trains and driver training. He said that would cause some cancellations on routes out of Ipswich.


Mr Burles also took a swipe at the media in his weekly message, accusing it of "incorrect headlines" for stating that the company's new Stadler trains were the cause of problems.

Greater Anglia is buying 58 new Stadler trains and around 20 are now in service.

The trains [URL='https://www.edp24.co.uk/business/what-has-gone-wrong-with-greater-anglia-new-trains-1-6416221']have had issues with their software and, according to drivers, have had problems connecting to the track.[/URL]
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One also had an issue switching between diesel and electric power


This bit is interesting........"."In his weekly message to staff, Greater Anglia's managing director Jamie Burles said the speed restrictions would remain in place until Network Rail changed the signalling system, which is different to other lines in the region.






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[Railperf]

I bet they regret stopping at bloody Manea all day now

What has Manea got to do with it?

 

[Adrian1980uk]

If that's the truth then I expect network rail to be fined for every delay and cancellation on the Sheringham line until they fix it

 

[43096]

If that's the truth then I expect network rail to be fined for every delay and cancellation on the Sheringham line until they fix it

And if it is the truth will those on here who have been so critical of GA and Stadler about the issue admit they were wrong?

 

[dk1]

What has Manea got to do with it?

Now you've lost me again!!