Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

[SteveyBee131]

Today's Worksop to Kingsbury is running. Any news of which unit(s) is/are on would be gratefully received. Thanks in advance

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Today's Worksop to Kingsbury is running. Any news of which unit(s) is/are on would be gratefully received. Thanks in advance

142016/142022/142025, I needed 2 of them

 

[SteveyBee131]

142016/142022/142025, I needed 2 of them

Thank you

142025 was my absolute favourite, the first train I have memories of travelling on, to Bridlington for holiday

So, for me this is a sad day may she rest in peace!

 

[Jamesrob637]

Is there much scrap (rather than scheduled!) movement over the two festive weeks?

 

[dan4291]

Are any still running on the Bishop line, or through Darlington?

 

[marty56110]

142094 currently heading to Bishop Auckland due in Darlington at 10.57.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Are any still running on the Bishop line, or through Darlington?

There is a separate thread in this section for 142 diagrams until 31/12/2019

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/northern-class-142-sightings.173851/page-48#post-4337062

 

[BR 45111]

Quite a few 142’s still at NH when passed about 10 mins , seem to be have eradicated from South Yorkshire. All former 142 services now worked by 144’s and 150’s .

 

[superkev]

current planned moves

18th DEC
Worksop reception to Newport docks https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-18/detailed
Heaton TMD to shildon NRM https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05890/2019-12-18/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-18/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-18/detailed

19th DEC
Worksop reception to Kingsbury EMR https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00151/2019-12-19/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-19/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-19/detailed

20th DEC
Worksop reception to Newport docks https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-20/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood sidings https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-20/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-20/detailed

Thursday 19th Dec looks like only the Worksop to Euro Metal Recycling (EMR) ran.
The Holbeck to Gascoigne and Sheffield to Workshop did not run.
At 3 units a trip to go for scrap and over 60 to go that's going to take a few weeks even assuming the scrapyards can handle them so quickly.
K

 

[Ewan M]

142016 + 142022 + 142025 have arrived at EMR Kingsbury for scrapping. According to a post on the Pacer Rail Group, the three that went there last week were “in a mess”.

 

[trainmananthon]

016, 022 and 025 arrived at Kingsbury today. Here's a post on Facebook from the driver that took them in today regarding 088, 093 and 096.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Storage Status
142003/142007/142028/142034/142040/142046/142056 stored at Barrow C.S.

142009/142015/142038/142039/142042/142048/142049/142050/142053/142057/142066 stored at Gascoigne Wood

142017/142019/142020/142027/142029/142030/142037/142052/142064/142084/142091 stored at Worksop

142005/142044 scrapped at Booths Rotherham

142016/142022/142025/142088/142093/142096 scrapped at EMR Kingsbury

142012/142033/142079 stored at Landore TMD

142086 being stripped for parts at Cardiff canton

 

[yorksrob]

I definitely agree and I'm sure in private the TOCs do too but the Pacers have now become toxic to passengers, politicians and the press. Even people on here were demanding refunds and discounts for the 'failure' to withdraw Pacers. Unfortunately Politicans influenced by the media have meant that there is no conceivable way the Pacers could not be withdrawn at the earliest possible opportunity.

Whilst this is undoubtedly true, if central Governments of all persuasions, had been doing their jobs properly over the last twenty years by increasing capacity along with demand, rather than letting the regional railway fester, then the pacers probably wouldn't have become so politicised.

 

[Skymonster]

One or two locos that have gone to Booths and EMR in the past have re-emerged. So while evidence so far suggests the Pacers are being cut up fairly quickly, do we know for sure that scrapping is the agreed / contracted end game for these units or is there a remote possibility a few could be sold on?

 

[Skymonster]

Storage Status
142003/142007/142028/142034/142040/142046/142056 stored at Barrow C.S.

142009/142015/142038/142039/142042/142048/142049/142050/142053/142057/142066 stored at Gascoigne Wood

142017/142019/142020/142027/142029/142030/142037/142052/142064/142084/142091 stored at Worksop

142005/142044 scrapped at Booths Rotherham

142016/142022/142025/142088/142093/142096 scrapped at EMR Kingsbury

142012/142033/142079 stored at Landore TMD

142086 being stripped for parts at Cardiff canton

Thanks for the update but suggestions upthread suggest 21, 26 and 60 are also stored at Hull Botanic Gardens with no indications they’ve moved on yet.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Thanks for the update but suggestions upthread suggest 21, 26 and 60 are also stored at Hull Botanic Gardens with no indications they’ve moved on yet.

I don’t think they are off lease though, I’ll have a look into it

 

[43096]

One or two locos that have gone to Booths and EMR in the past have re-emerged. So while evidence so far suggests the Pacers are being cut up fairly quickly, do we know for sure that scrapping is the agreed / contracted end game for these units or is there a remote possibility a few could be sold on?

Why would you even bother because anyone interested should by now have spoken to Angel and/or Porterbrook about what they want. If they haven't, then they probably haven't got the aptitude to preserve one, in all honesty. It's not exactly been a secret they're going in the bin.

 

[Neptune]

142031 and 142092 are stored at Holbeck.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

142031 and 142092 are stored at Holbeck.

That is warm storage, northern still lease them

 

[Skymonster]

Why would you even bother because anyone interested should by now have spoken to Angel and/or Porterbrook about what they want. If they haven't, then they probably haven't got the aptitude to preserve one, in all honesty. It's not exactly been a secret they're going in the bin.

Perhaps some enterprising scrappy will sell a few to Iran, which is where some 141s went. Oh wait, maybe there’s a a problem with that idea these days!

 

[NorthernSpirit]

Updated as of Thursday 19th December 2019 to include any amendments regarding scrapped units and those going in storage. I, for one, am surpised that no heritage railway has snapped up any of the class 142's yet.

There is something in this months Rail mag which mentioned about heritage lines using Pacers which would enable them to get ot of the rut and look beyond the pre-1970's railway, as Rail states that the next generation of enthusiasts will be looking back to the Pacers.

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped.
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - In storage at Barrow
004
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - In storage at Barrow
008 - Scrapped
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013
014
015 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023
024
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - In storage at Barrow
029 - in storage at Worksop
030 - in storage at Worksop
031 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds.
032
033 - in storage at Worksop
034 - In storage at Barrow
035
036
037 - in storage at Worksop
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - In storage at Barrow
041
042 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
043
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045
046 - In storage at Barrow
047
048 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
050 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
051
052 - in storage at Worksop
053 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
054
055
056 - In storage at Barrow
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058
059 - Scrapped
060 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
061
062
063
064 - in storage at Worksop
065
066 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
067
068
069
070
071
072
073
074
075
076
077
078
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089
090
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094
095
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped
614
615 - Scrapped
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill.
001
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications.
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023

 

[ed1971]

As it currently stands, how many Northern Class 142s are still available for service?

 

[507021]

As it currently stands, how many Northern Class 142s are still available for service?

Including those in warm storage, 37 units.

 

[ed1971]

Including those in warm storage, 37 units.

Thanks.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Should be just 9 after 01/01/20, all of which need to be coupled to a PRM-compliant unit. Question is, which 9?

 

[ed1971]

Perhaps some enterprising scrappy will sell a few to Iran, which is where some 141s went. Oh wait, maybe there’s a a problem with that idea these days!

As far as I am aware, Iran replaced the Class 141s with new DMUs arond 2005: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_used_by_railways_in_Iran

They also ordered 450 new DMUs from Hyundai Rotem two years ago, so it is doubtful they would be keen to take on redundant Class 142s. https://www.railjournal.com/rolling-stock/iran-orders-450-dmu-cars-from-hyundai-rotem/

 

[IamTrainsYT]

workings for tomorrow:

Worksop to Kingsbury https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O72492/2019-12-20/detailed
Worksop to Newport https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-20/detailed
Holbeck to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-20/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-20/detailed

 

[ic31420]

Anyone know of a second hand market for pacer engines or are they being scrapped too?

 

[Dart34518]

Interesting that 142033 went by road to Landore. Wonder if it has a future with TFW or just spares?

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Interesting that 142033 went by road to Landore. Wonder if it has a future with TFW or just spares?

It probably went by road because something happened to it at worksop, since the ones that went at the weekend went for spares it has probably gone for the same reason