pieguyrob
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That was supposed to happen, only Houndshill changed hands, so they were waiting for that to go through. Which now means they don't have a new store to move into.
The trams are the least of their worries, they don't run through the night. However,
The Queen Street boundary of the property has a nightclub, "Kaos", which is open until 0500 every day.
The Dickson Road boundary, has a taxi stand, and I know that if it is cold the cabs keep their engines running through the night. I am one of them.
Weekends and Monday nights they will undoubtedly have to endure police and ambulance sirens, dealing with the unrest from the nightclub.
The building was probably in need of redevelopment at some point soon anyway.
Perhaps Wilko's should've been more on the ball and got new premises ready to move straight into.
Very anti-tram on here! Blame Network Rail for the fact that the tram won't go up to the station, the initial plan was for a new station building with trams right outside. This is the next best option with the terminus via a short underpass.
As for this being a 'short spur not worth the time and money' well try planning a tram service that doesn't have a railway interchange somewhere, you'd get laughed off. The fact that the Blackpool Tramway has been successful without this so far is impressive, this will increase that significantly. I hope that trams along the South Fylde Line is next- that line is almost useless as it stands and trams to Lytham/Kirkham would solve a lot of problems.
It’s not permitted to idle the engine on motor vehicles on a public road in any case.Doesn't it state in your hackney rules that engines must be switched off when on the rank it does in ours
The South Fylde line is far from useless. (Except present timetable/ Arriva North - Northern rail /DFT/ failings which hopefully will be sorted soon!)Very anti-tram on here! Blame Network Rail for the fact that the tram won't go up to the station, the initial plan was for a new station building with trams right outside. This is the next best option with the terminus via a short underpass.
As for this being a 'short spur not worth the time and money' well try planning a tram service that doesn't have a railway interchange somewhere, you'd get laughed off. The fact that the Blackpool Tramway has been successful without this so far is impressive, this will increase that significantly. I hope that trams along the South Fylde Line is next- that line is almost useless as it stands and trams to Lytham/Kirkham would solve a lot of problems.
Nice picture, thank you. Makes me smile every time I pass it!
Converting it to a tramway would be a retrograde step - only needs a dynamic passing loop between Lytham and St Annes. Fast rail service direct to Preston is far better. Maybe extend to Central station if cash available!!
No way. More people travel within the Fylde Coast than out of it which has been proven by data, so having the local connections is a priority. Heavy rail can run alongside maybe but light rail presents much bigger opportunities that can't be missed, and I'm glad it's being looked into. A passing loop with two trains an hour is nowhere near enough when compared to 4 or 5 trams an hour that go right into the Town Centre with more accessible services, greener transport etc. For the thousands in Lytham St Annes that live between stations at the moment the line may as well not exist. Trams will fill that gap and bring an effective service to where people actually want to go with no waiting around or changing modes. Extending rail to central would never happen because of the amount of bridges and roads in the way now, that'd be £100s of millions. A phased light rail scheme to South Fylde will solve that problem and be a much better option.
I'm all in favour of any extension of the tram system around the South Fylde Line but, given the state of the Fleetwood link, how do they intend to do anything with that, particularly post-electrification?
I took this photo some time ago of the state of the Poulton-Fleetwood junction:
Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BW4goAylgos/
Image :
(Image shows line from Poulton-le-Fylde railway station, showing severed junction to the right and newly laid and ballast-ed line to the left).
Precisely, with Heavy Rail you might get one train per hour to Preston/Manchester but not serving the majority of demand.
Light Rail would be 4-5 or more trams per hour with opportunity for multiple onward connections per hour from Blackpool.
There are a lot of visitors using the South Fylde line to reach their accommodation in South Shore, Lytham St Annes.I’m not local but I can understand that the tram proposal offers far more in terms of service frequency and accessibility to a greater area then a train proposal could.
And a tram won't stop that from happening. Even if the conversion was all the way to Kirkham it doesn't stop people getting to their accommodation. Otherwise the railway could run alongside the tram if only for the first phases. In fact it would probably be easier with the higher frequency, more stops near hotels, level boarding etc. Plus they could buy a ticket for their whole week staying to use the tram into Blackpool. Not to mention many of those heading for South Shore may migrate to using the BPN line and the tram interchange once that is operational as it would be quicker overall with the frequencies and stops on the Prom.There are a lot of visitors using the South Fylde line to reach their accommodation in South Shore, Lytham St Annes.
Only a few days a year in peak season. It's a ghost line most of the time. If you look at the numbers there are about 10 times less passengers using the SF line than the tramway. It's not very useful for locals either other than those travelling to Preston rather than Blackpool (which is a minority). To mention Pleasure Beach Station, it is on the opposite side of the park than the main entrance where tickets must be purchased, a 10-15 min walk away. Tram stop is right outside.Also trains are rammed with passengers going to Blackpool Pleasure Beach, which has its own station.
This is exactly why we need a tram line. Only two major roads between Blackpool and South Fylde, both gridlocked at peak times. Using the railway as a third corridor for a high capacity, frequent LRT link supplemented by P&R will surely relieve traffic. The tramway is closed one day a year for the illuminations switch on so not sure what that's about.On the busiest days of the year, traffic around the Town Centre becomes impossible, getting from Fleetwood to Blackpool South Shore is no joke. Tramway closed from Central Pier to North Pier.
Why would thousands of extra passengers suddenly use a line that ends up nowhere and doesn't serve the needs of locals, doesn't cater for those between stops, and doesn't add any new routes, just by adding one extra train per hour (still nowhere near enough)? If a passing loop was implemented alongside a parallel tram service and didn't get in the way it could work, but what you describe would block the line to LRT and would be unforgivable forward planning with a lot of opposition. £2m would be nowhere near, more like £50m which I believe the cost range was. Of course the tram would be more than this but it would actually bring serious worthwhile benefits. Costs could be kept down by doing it in phases.Imo a dynamic bidirectional passing loop would be a very practical solution to increase capacity. The loop would start at the Preston end of St Annes station, and continue to just short of Lytham station. Andsell and Fairhaven would have every other train stopping there. No platform alterations, or extra disabled/access facilities would be needed. £2m maybe go half way to providing this!
Double track never happening as the demand isn't there without a better link into Blackpool and a way to get intermediate stops in there. Probably not even demand for a passing loop without direct link to Manchester which is also impossible due to congestion at the Castlefield corridor. Bus service isn't excellent, the road situation means they get stuck in traffic and take long meandering routes to the town centre. It's the best it can be, but buses aren't as effective of enticing people out of their cars as trams are.A higher price if the second platforms brought back into use. This could allow up to 3 trains per hour. Double track would be great !!!
There is an excellent bus service from Town to Lytham St Annes via South Shore. Even so I often use train to Lytham St Annes Can be cheaper!
Agree about Poulton to Fleetwood, footpath would be only way to do it. No need for the tram to go down the old central route when the Promenade route is already there.Poulton to Fleetwood. The tram terminus may have to be built at the end of existing tracks, with a footpath/ bridge to the rail station alongside the rail track?
Connection to converting tram BPS to Kirkham. This would be best done using the old rail track via Central Station to BPS
The tram is only a couple of hundred metres from Pleasure Beach station so if the railway was converted that would be the obvious place to link them.No need for the tram to go down the old central route when the Promenade route is already there.
And a tram won't stop that from happening. Even if the conversion was all the way to Kirkham it doesn't stop people getting to their accommodation. Otherwise the railway could run alongside the tram if only for the first phases. In fact it would probably be easier with the higher frequency, more stops near hotels, level boarding etc. Plus they could buy a ticket for their whole week staying to use the tram into Blackpool. Not to mention many of those heading for South Shore may migrate to using the BPN line and the tram interchange once that is operational as it would be quicker overall with the frequencies and stops on the Prom.
Only a few days a year in peak season. It's a ghost line most of the time. If you look at the numbers there are about 10 times less passengers using the SF line than the tramway. It's not very useful for locals either other than those travelling to Preston rather than Blackpool (which is a minority). To mention Pleasure Beach Station, it is on the opposite side of the park than the main entrance where tickets must be purchased, a 10-15 min walk away. Tram stop is right outside.
This is exactly why we need a tram line. Only two major roads between Blackpool and South Fylde, both gridlocked at peak times. Using the railway as a third corridor for a high capacity, frequent LRT link supplemented by P&R will surely relieve traffic. The tramway is closed one day a year for the illuminations switch on so not sure what that's about.
Why would thousands of extra passengers suddenly use a line that ends up nowhere and doesn't serve the needs of locals, doesn't cater for those between stops, and doesn't add any new routes, just by adding one extra train per hour (still nowhere near enough)? If a passing loop was implemented alongside a parallel tram service and didn't get in the way it could work, but what you describe would block the line to LRT and would be unforgivable forward planning with a lot of opposition. £2m would be nowhere near, more like £50m which I believe the cost range was. Of course the tram would be more than this but it would actually bring serious worthwhile benefits. Costs could be kept down by doing it in phases.
Double track never happening as the demand isn't there without a better link into Blackpool and a way to get intermediate stops in there. Probably not even demand for a passing loop without direct link to Manchester which is also impossible due to congestion at the Castlefield corridor. Bus service isn't excellent, the road situation means they get stuck in traffic and take long meandering routes to the town centre. It's the best it can be, but buses aren't as effective of enticing people out of their cars as trams are.
Agree about Poulton to Fleetwood, footpath would be only way to do it. No need for the tram to go down the old central route when the Promenade route is already there.
Anyway I have said my piece...
Pleasure Beach - majority of customer enter via the East entrance - close to station.
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