Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

[LOL The Irony]

Ok cheers just wondering so I can update the wiki page, can't guarantee it'll stay with 050 as stored as someone keeps on changing it.

Add a source and if they keep changing it, report them.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

the last 24 142s should have depot stickers put on the front, a few weeks a go i saw a pic of 142001 with one and it looked quite nice

 

[Karl]

Looks good. What was Newton Heath's depot number from the old style in the 1960's? Lostock Hall was 10D.

 

[Sbahn4]

O Heaton today.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

OView attachment 72292 Heaton today.

Looks like there are 3 lines for 3 runnings to Gascoigne Wood

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Ok cheers just wondering so I can update the wiki page, can't guarantee it'll stay with 050 as stored as someone keeps on changing it.

I did notice that some witty soul had added a "The Class 142 is a bus." header to the wikipedia page yesterday

 

[IamTrainsYT]

3Z90 Barrow C.S. to Heaton TMD pathed for 4/1/20 and 6/1/20, looks like barrow was only warm storage for the pacers. (they ran up there as a northern ECS, if they were off lease they would have been took by freightliner or GBRF)
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S13780/2020-01-04/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/S13779/2020-01-06/detailed

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Monday, 5Z42 gascoigne Wood to Kingsbury
Tuesday, 5Z42 gascoigne Wood to South Wales

 

[NorthernSpirit]

Those 24 class 142's that can be coupled to a compliant unit that were listed earlier on in the thread have been added to the list, as well as an update to the 23x class 144's.

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped.
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.
Pink - can operate provided that they are coupled to a PRM compliant unit.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - In storage at Barrow
004 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - In storage at Barrow
008 - Scrapped (Collided with a class 87 at Winsford in 1999).
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
014 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD
015 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018 - in warm store at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
024
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - In storage at Barrow
029 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway.
030 - Unit to be preserved at Chasewater Railway (Is this confirmed?)
031 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds.
032 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD
033 - Converted to a Police Training Unit by South Wales Police at Bridgend rugby pitch.
034 - In storage at Barrow
035 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
036 - Unit to be preserved at East Kent Railway, still in service at Northern - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
037 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - In storage at Barrow
041 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
042 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
043 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
046 - In storage at Barrow
047 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
048 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
050 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury?
051 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
052 - in storage at Worksop
053 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
054 - in warm storage at Longsight TMD
055 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
056 - In storage at Barrow
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
059 - Scrapped (Collided with buffer stops at Liverpool Lime Street in 1991.)
060 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
061 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
062 - in warm storage at Longsight TMD
063 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD
064 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
065 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
066 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
067 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
068 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
069
070 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
071 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
072
073
074
075
076
077
078 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089 - in warm storage at Newton Heath TMD
090 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
095 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire near Nailsea & Backwell in 2004).
614
615 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire in 2005).
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill TMD, can run on specified routes and can run solo.

001 - "Penistone Line Partnership"
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications.
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023

TMD - Train Maintenance Depot.

 

[anamyd]

Tuesday, 5Z42 gascoigne Wood to South Wales

I take it that this hasn't appeared on realtime yet...?

 

[IamTrainsYT]

I take it that this hasn't appeared on realtime yet...?

not yet, will post it here when it comes up. will either be for landore or newport docks

 

[NorthernSpirit]

not yet, will post it here when it comes up. will either be for landore or newport docks

If known, which units are making the journey?

 

[anamyd]

not yet, will post it here when it comes up. will either be for landore or newport docks

Thanks

In RAIL 895, on page 18, Richard Clinnick claims that five 142s have moved under their own power to Wales in two batches (but listed together as 142012/042/049/079/086), so I interpret that as the first three which I knew about (142012/079/086) and a further two which are new ones on me (142042/049) - when did these two move...?

The article also states:

RAIL said:

Transport for Wales told RAIL in October that it planned to use former Northern '142s' as parts donors for its own fleet, but there are suggestions that the trains could yet be used to replace TfW Pacers. As this issue of RAIL went to press, TfW had yet to confirm the plans.

"Parts donors" makes more sense to me, though are five units really required for that just for another 7 months of operation, or is this normal if production of Pacer parts has just stopped...? As for the ex-Northern Pacers replacing some of TfW's Pacers, that makes no sense to me as not only do they not have dispensation to operate in a non-PRM compliant state, but they're also apparently in worse condition.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Thanks
In RAIL 895, on page 18, Richard Clinnick claims that five 142s have moved under their own power to Wales in two batches (but listed together as 142012/042/049/079/086), so I interpret that as the first three which I knew about (142012/079/086) and a further two which are new ones on me (142042/049) - when did these two move...?
.

both units are at gascoigne wood, this could be what leaves on tuesday

 

[IamTrainsYT]

"Parts donors" makes more sense to me, though are five units really required for that just for another 7 months of operation, or is this normal if production of Pacer parts has just stopped...? As for the ex-Northern Pacers replacing some of TfW's Pacers, that makes no sense to me as not only do they not have dispensation to operate in a non-PRM compliant state, but they're also apparently in worse condition.

if something happened to one of there pacers (like the fire yesterday) would one of these replace it or would they not be cleared to run

 

[anamyd]

both units are at gascoigne wood, this could be what leaves on tuesday

Ah thanks, so yet again, what "has happened" hasn't happened yet...

if something happened to one of there pacers (like the fire yesterday) would one of these replace it or would they not be cleared to run

The simple fact of the matter is they haven't received dispensation so wouldn't be allowed to run, although I suppose they could receive it later...

 

[IamTrainsYT]

If known, which units are making the journey?

Wasn’t know till just know should be 142042/142049

 

[Anonymous10]

Those 24 class 142's that can be coupled to a compliant unit that were listed earlier on in the thread have been added to the list, as well as an update to the 23x class 144's.

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped.
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.
Pink - can operate provided that they are coupled to a PRM compliant unit.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - In storage at Barrow
004 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - In storage at Barrow
008 - Scrapped (Collided with a class 87 at Winsford in 1999).
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
014 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD
015 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018 - in warm store at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
024
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - In storage at Barrow
029 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway.
030 - Unit to be preserved at Chasewater Railway (Is this confirmed?)
031 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds.
032 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD
033 - Converted to a Police Training Unit by South Wales Police at Bridgend rugby pitch.
034 - In storage at Barrow
035 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
036 - Unit to be preserved at East Kent Railway, still in service at Northern - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
037 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - In storage at Barrow
041 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
042 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
043 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
046 - In storage at Barrow
047 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
048 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
050 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury?
051 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
052 - in storage at Worksop
053 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
054 - in warm storage at Longsight TMD
055 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
056 - In storage at Barrow
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
059 - Scrapped (Collided with buffer stops at Liverpool Lime Street in 1991.)
060 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
061 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
062 - in warm storage at Longsight TMD
063 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD
064 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
065 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
066 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
067 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
068 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
069
070 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
071 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
072
073
074
075
076
077
078 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089 - in warm storage at Newton Heath TMD
090 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
095 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire near Nailsea & Backwell in 2004).
614
615 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire in 2005).
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill TMD, can run on specified routes and can run solo.

001 - "Penistone Line Partnership"
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications.
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023

TMD - Train Maintenance Depot.

Could you do one for tfw

 

[cactustwirly]

Thanks

In RAIL 895, on page 18, Richard Clinnick claims that five 142s have moved under their own power to Wales in two batches (but listed together as 142012/042/049/079/086), so I interpret that as the first three which I knew about (142012/079/086) and a further two which are new ones on me (142042/049) - when did these two move...?

The article also states:


"Parts donors" makes more sense to me, though are five units really required for that just for another 7 months of operation, or is this normal if production of Pacer parts has just stopped...? As for the ex-Northern Pacers replacing some of TfW's Pacers, that makes no sense to me as not only do they not have dispensation to operate in a non-PRM compliant state, but they're also apparently in worse condition.

Well they are coming up to 40 years old, so parts are probably very difficult to get hold of, so stripping the ex Northern ones is probably the only way of keeping the TfW fleet running.

 

[anamyd]

Well they are coming up to 40 years old, so parts are probably very difficult to get hold of, so stripping the ex Northern ones is probably the only way of keeping the TfW fleet running.

They were built between 1985 and 1987, so they range from 33 to 35 years old, and some of the specified parts have changed since then, but I get what you're saying. I thought production of spare parts for Pacers ended in 2019 as it was thought that the units wouldn't be running in 2020...?

Also, as TfW Rail operate 15 142s and 15 143s, surely only some 142 parts can be fitted to 143s, so what would be used as a source of the different 143 spares...?

 

[ed1971]

I have got a question; the 142s were fitted with new Voith final drives in 2014 following incidents were cardan drive shafts had fallen off at speed. Were the 143s and 144s equipped as well or do they retain the original SCG final drives?

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Could you do one for tfw

i did one for another thread the other day (operator is there because i split it off a larger list)


Number - Operator - Livery - Depot - Notes

142002 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142006 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142010 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142012 - Transport For Wales - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Landore - Use for spare parts
142069 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142072 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142073 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142074 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142075 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142076 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142077 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142079 - Transport For Wales - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Landore - Use for spare parts
142080 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142081 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142082 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142083 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142085 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142086 - Transport For Wales - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Cardiff Canton - Use for spare parts
143601 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143602 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143604 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton -staying till 31/7/20
143605 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143606 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143607 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143608 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143609 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143610 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton -staying till 31/7/20
143614 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton -staying till 31/7/20
143616 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143622 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143623 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143624 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143625 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20

 

[IamTrainsYT]

"Parts donors" makes more sense to me, though are five units really required for that just for another 7 months of operation, or is this normal if production of Pacer parts has just stopped...? As for the ex-Northern Pacers replacing some of TfW's Pacers, that makes no sense to me as not only do they not have dispensation to operate in a non-PRM compliant state, but they're also apparently in worse condition.

i have just been thinking, if they use the one for spares at cardiff they have 4 at landore. if the 4 at landore are then used would this then not allow the class 37 sets to return back to colas? i imagine pacers are cheeper to lease and run

 

[anamyd]

i have just been thinking, if they use the one for spares at cardiff they have 4 at landore. if the 4 at landore are then used would this then not allow the class 37 sets to return back to colas? i imagine pacers are cheeper to lease and run

Again, of the stock you mentioned in your post, Transport for Wales have only received dispensation for PRM non-compliance for the 15 142s and 15 143s they acquired from Arriva Trains Wales (until 31/7/20) and for the Mark 2s until 30/6/20, though also again, this could change...

 

[cactustwirly]

They were built between 1985 and 1987, so they range from 33 to 35 years old, and some of the specified parts have changed since then, but I get what you're saying. I thought production of spare parts for Pacers ended in 2019 as it was thought that the units wouldn't be running in 2020...?

Also, as TfW Rail operate 15 142s and 15 143s, surely only some 142 parts can be fitted to 143s, so what would be used as a source of the different 143 spares...?

Where did you get that info?
Since Leyland and BREL don't exist anymore, I'm pretty sure spare parts wouldn't have been manufactured for a long time!

 

[ed1971]

Where did you get that info?
Since Leyland and BREL don't exist anymore, I'm pretty sure spare parts wouldn't have been manufactured for a long time!

The Cummins L10 engines were fitted in the early to mid 1990s and this engine was updated to become the M11 and later the ISM 11 which is still produced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_L-series_engine
The Voith T211r gearboxes fitted to Pacers between 1989 and 1991 are common to Classes 150, 153, 155 and 156. The entire Class 142 fleet received new Voith final drives and cardan drive shafts in 2014. https://www.railwaygazette.com/trac...-dmu-final-drives-and-wheelsets/39344.article

As can be seen, the 142s don't have a lot of original parts. The Class 153s and 155s built by Leyland bus also use certain Leyland National bus parts.

 

[Anonymous10]

i did one for another thread the other day (operator is there because i split it off a larger list)


Number - Operator - Livery - Depot - Notes

142002 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142006 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142010 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142012 - Transport For Wales - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Landore - Use for spare parts
142069 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142072 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142073 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142074 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142075 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142076 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142077 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142079 - Transport For Wales - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Landore - Use for spare parts
142080 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142081 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142082 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142083 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142085 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
142086 - Transport For Wales - Unbranded Northern Purple and Blue - Cardiff Canton - Use for spare parts
143601 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143602 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143604 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton -staying till 31/7/20
143605 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143606 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143607 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143608 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143609 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143610 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton -staying till 31/7/20
143614 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton -staying till 31/7/20
143616 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143622 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143623 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "These Trains will Terminate Soon" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143624 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Journey is Almost Over for Old Trains" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20
143625 - Transport For Wales - TFW Black "The Start of a New Journey" - Cardiff Canton - staying till 31/7/20

So all Pacers stay till July 31

 

[IamTrainsYT]

So all Pacers stay till July 31

or longer

 

[Anonymous10]

or longer

I know tfw Pacers have dispensation till then hopefully Wales will be rid of them then I also hope the north are to as well as both regions getting a hst ie hs 2 for north and one for Wales too

 

[IamTrainsYT]

I know tfw Pacers have dispensation till then hopefully Wales will be rid of them then I also hope the north are to as well as both regions getting a hst ie hs 2 for north and one for Wales too

i find the pacers are better suited to some lines than class 150s, what on earth are you talking about HSTs?